Star Wars- Episodes 7, 8 and 9????

[Snowmiser]

ILM NDAs for Episodes 7,8 and 9
Tue, Aug 17, 04 02:22:05 AM EDT

"A little Jedi stopped by the inbox today with some information fans have to pray is actually happening. Rumors at best folks ... ones we love, but we have to remind you: rumors!

You didn't hear this from me, but you might be curious as to why everyone at ILM just signed NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) saying that they will not discuss Star Wars EP7, 8, or 9. Since they're not being made, why the NDA's? Of course, since when has the flannel one been consistent?

Good point. Please, please be true ..."

http://www.theforce.net/episode3/ (http://)

I find this as bittersweet news. More Star Wars sounds awesome, but after the prequeals, does anyone want more?

I can't picture anyone else playing Luke, Han, Leia, etc.

[MusicFan]

There's NDAs for a lot of imaginary things.

[MalcolmBrass]

Just Lucas covering his bases. As if he's going to need any more money after Star Wars trilogy is released, and I don't believe all these people whining that they won't be buying it! The Empire Strikes Back STILL kicks ass!

[AcquiredTarget]

I thought the books by Tim Zahn were supposed to make do for eps 7 - 9

[Duality]

I imagine that, if Lucas decided to do a third trilogy, it would be adapted from the Tim Zahn series.

That has been a rumor for many years, however.

It'd be interesting because I'd like to think that Lucas wouldn't be doing much of the writing for it -- which has always been the biggest failing of ep1-3.

The NDA is probably just to keep them from talking ... and spreading potential rumors.

[Tedakin]

I read this too. I wouldn't doubt that they're making them. But it could just be one of those "Just in case" types of things. I did hear that Fox is begging Lucasfilm for 3 more films. The last one, Episode 2, was the fifth film in the series and made $700 million bucks. That just doesn't happen. I think at this point Lucas could release a movie that's just 2 hours of Jar Jar wiping his ass and slap the Star Wars name on it, and it'd make a half a billion dollars.

[Auf_Der_Maur6]

I thought that they weren't making a third trilogy.

If they are, then why did they write all those New Jedi Order novels?

[MusicFan]

I love Jar-Jar, I want more Jar-Jar.

[KingKongSushi]

I read this too. I wouldn't doubt that they're making them. But it could just be one of those "Just in case" types of things. I did hear that Fox is begging Lucasfilm for 3 more films. The last one, Episode 2, was the fifth film in the series and made $700 million bucks. That just doesn't happen. I think at this point Lucas could release a movie that's just 2 hours of Jar Jar wiping his ass and slap the Star Wars name on it, and it'd make a half a billion dollars.

They already did that. It's called George Lucass. I own the DVD. Crazy flick.

[agn]

If they did 7 8 and 9 wouldnt that open the door to having the original cast reprise their roles as older characters? I could see an older Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia getting into even more epic struggles between the rebels and the Empire.

[MusicFan]

We don't need another reason for Lucas to hold up Indy 4.

[Snowmiser]

If they did 7 8 and 9 wouldnt that open the door to having the original cast reprise their roles as older characters? I could see an older Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia getting into even more epic struggles between the rebels and the Empire.

Do you think Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford, and Mark Hammil would be up for reprising their roles? I've seen Mark Hammil, and he doesn't look like he's in the best shape. He could always get back into it, I dunno.

I just think they shouldn't do it unless Episode 3 is of a really high caliber. I liked Episode II, but nothing has been to the quality of Empire Strikes Back.

[Arandar]

If they did 7 8 and 9 wouldnt that open the door to having the original cast reprise their roles as older characters? I could see an older Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia getting into even more epic struggles between the rebels and the Empire.
It wouldn't really be against the Empire though. In the books which are post Return of the Jedi, the Empire is pretty much just an annoyance in the galaxy instead of a threat. Except for the first 3 books by Tim Zahn where Thrawn nearly retakes the galaxy, theres nothing real serious, and in the last two by him the Empire and Alliance, or New Republic, sign a peace agreement. I haven't read a ton of the books, but from what I have checked out of the ones I am going to get its other stuff that is the threat to the Alliance/Empire galaxy, like stuff from other far off parts of it.

[Tedakin]

If they did 7 8 and 9 wouldnt that open the door to having the original cast reprise their roles as older characters? I could see an older Han Solo, Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia getting into even more epic struggles between the rebels and the Empire.

I'm a huge Star Wars geek.. I figure Leia would be Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic. Luke will be the head of the new Jedi Council, and the old Jedi type like Alec Guiness was. Han will still have the fastest ship in the galaxy, the Millenium Falcon, but he'll fly it really really slow cause he's so damn old.

There was also a confirmed rumor a while back that when Peter Mayhew signed on to return as Chewbacca in Episode 3, he had to sign to return of 7, 8 and 9 as well. Just another interesting point.

[Arandar]

Actually Arandar, the New Republic and The Empire remnants only sign a temporary cease fire when a raptor like race knwon as the Si'Ruv attack a remote planet called Bakura. The aliens planned to harvest the life force of the humans and the native humanlike Kurtzen to power their robotic armies.
I know thats one of the ones I read. But if you read the 5 books by Tim Zahn, Timmathy actually if thats even spelt right, you would know what I'm talking about. Its the last book of the second series he wrote. Theres 3 books called The Hand of Thrawn series starting off with Heir the the Empire I believe, and I forget the others. But if you look in one of those books you'll find out what the other two are and if you read them you'll see at the very end they sign a peace agreement. The temporary President of the New Republic(Leia was on vacation or "taking a break") signed it with Palleaon who was named Supreme Commander of all Imperial forces. At least the space fleets. That took place 15 years after Return o the Jedi I think, it was 15 or 20 since Hand of Thrawn took place 5 or 10 years after RotJ and these ones 10 years after that.

BTW, those 5 are also really really good books so you should check them out anyway.

[Lord Moon]

Well you can also check out this site for plot scripts of 7, 8, & 9;

http://www.supershadow.com/

Now supposedly this guy is a close personal friend of George Lucas & works with him daily. Take it with a grain of salt. That said my friend who game me the link said that even though a lot of what he says sounds like a bunch of BS, he actually has dropped a lot of truthful items on his site.

[Snowmiser]

Why won't you guys stop bringing up the books? They weren't written by Lucas. End of story. The books carry information that must be taken as entertainment. Look how Lucas drastically changed the Boba Fett story.

The point is, I'm a big Star Wars fans and when people try to pull that book shit it pisses me off. It's not Star Wars unless it came from the pen of George Lucas.

[agn]

has there ever been a 9 part film series? It would be pretty damn epic if they made them.

[Raghnall]

has there ever been a 9 part film series? It would be pretty damn epic if they made them.

unfortunately yes...friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street. :|

and yeah, the books don't mean shit. there are parts in episode II that contradict a ton that was written in a couple of books. so, obviously he doesn't give a damn about the authors who have helped contribute to his universe.

his original plan was to do nine movies, but last i heard he's done everything he wanted in six. i really hope that was just a lie to throw everyone off...

personally, my theory has always been that 7-9 was filmed in the 80's/early 90's. that way he could of still used all of the original actors...and that would for sure explain the 20 year break. wouldn't that be something if it was true...

[Digital*Firefly]

personally, my theory has always been that 7-9 was filmed in the 80's/early 90's. that way he could of still used all of the original actors...and that would for sure explain the 20 year break. wouldn't that be something if it was true...
that would be so cool if that was true. unlikely, but it would be so cool. I don't think anyone could keep anything under wraps for that long.

[MusicFan]

personally, my theory has always been that 7-9 was filmed in the 80's/early 90's. that way he could of still used all of the original actors...and that would for sure explain the 20 year break. wouldn't that be something if it was true...That sounds pretty damn plausible.

[Arandar]

that would be so cool if that was true. unlikely, but it would be so cool. I don't think anyone could keep anything under wraps for that long.
Area 51, Rosewell, the moon landing, theres tons of stuff that people keep under wraps. Of course they are basically told if you tell anyone we'll kill you and most likely your family, but they still keep the secret. On this I doubt though since someone would have to financially back the movie and so it would be easy to find out who did it since Fox is a public company I believe. Unless they did it and never told there stockholders, in which case they can be charaged with investors fraud I think it is.

[Digital*Firefly]

Area 51, Rosewell, the moon landing, theres tons of stuff that people keep under wraps. Of course they are basically told if you tell anyone we'll kill you and most likely your family, but they still keep the secret. On this I doubt though since someone would have to financially back the movie and so it would be easy to find out who did it since Fox is a public company I believe. Unless they did it and never told there stockholders, in which case they can be charaged with investors fraud I think it is.
Lucas could have funded it himself.

[Arandar]

Only if it was in the early 90's. I doubt he had enough money during the early 80's to be able to to fund this and make it worth everyone's while to keep everything completly secret. Considering all the leaks that happen for the prequals it would be really really hard to keep everything so hush hush this long after. Just go to www.theforce.net (http://www.theforce.net) and you can always find some type of leak or inside information from the filming of Episode III or the editing or whatever else.

[Digital*Firefly]

as long as it's not and animated trilogy

[zell58]

see what happens when the telephone game is played?

[TwiztidICP]

Star Wars needs to die. God, 6 is enough they don't need anymore.

[Snowmiser]

So its a bad thing that its written by someone other than George Lucas?

So wait, your saying that the novels, comics, and games in the Star Wars universe are completely non-existant because it wasnt written by George Lucas? If you really believe that.........

Wow.

Uh, they're good entertainment but the book don't hold any merit.

Don't act all appalled and and pretend that I am being ignoant. If someone came along and started making another Lord of the Rings novel and decided that Frodo and Sam were lovers and that the ring was never actualyl destroyed and it was written by some Tom Dick fellow, this what, forty years after Tolkien has died, would you let that atrocity hold any merit?

Doubtful. If so then, I am the one who has to say,

Wow.

[Raghnall]

^^^

unfortunately he's right. even though george lucas approved every book that has been written, they don't mean shit if he decides it. it maybe wrong, but he is the one who came up with star wars....even if it was kinda ripped off from akira kurasawa...

[MusicFan]

Jar-Jar needs to star in the Head Of State 2: Me'sa In'sa White House.

[Arandar]

Uh, they're good entertainment but the book don't hold any merit.

Don't act all appalled and and pretend that I am being ignoant. If someone came along and started making another Lord of the Rings novel and decided that Frodo and Sam were lovers and that the ring was never actualyl destroyed and it was written by some Tom Dick fellow, this what, forty years after Tolkien has died, would you let that atrocity hold any merit?

Doubtful. If so then, I am the one who has to say,

Wow.
But the difference is that Lucas is ok with all the books that are written and they are intertwined. So if Event A happens in say Book 1 Series 1 by one author and effects that character is some way that changes them, that change with be reflected in Book 1 Series 2 by a different author. So its not like a whole bunch of random stuff being written and the Star Wars universe being changed in all these different ways. Besides from what I have read its only some minor things that have been changed like when Anakin/Vader's right hand/arm got taken, and the original concept of the Death Star being an ancient Sith weapon as opposed to created by an Imperial scientist, Bevel Lamisk I believe.

[Snowmiser]

But the difference is that Lucas is ok with all the books that are written and they are intertwined. So if Event A happens in say Book 1 Series 1 by one author and effects that character is some way that changes them, that change with be reflected in Book 1 Series 2 by a different author. So its not like a whole bunch of random stuff being written and the Star Wars universe being changed in all these different ways. Besides from what I have read its only some minor things that have been changed like when Anakin/Vader's right hand/arm got taken, and the original concept of the Death Star being an ancient Sith weapon as opposed to created by an Imperial scientist, Bevel Lamisk I believe.

When Lucas constantly contradicts and changes things that are in books I tend to go with you know, the one who created Star Wars.

The story of the Deat Star, Boba Fett, Stormtroopers, etc. have all been drastically changed. Lucas gives permission so he can get bank, but when he writes his scripts he doesn't give two shits about what some novelist wrote. This is his universe and hes damned if some other person is going to change it.

[Duality]

So its a bad thing that its written by someone other than George Lucas?

So wait, your saying that the novels, comics, and games in the Star Wars universe are completely non-existant because it wasnt written by George Lucas? If you really believe that.........

Wow.
None of the novels, with the exception of a few movie novelizations, can be considered canonical. Meaning that George Lucas can, at any time, create a new story in his universe that negates anything set or created in the non-canon stories.

That doesn't necessarily make them "bad" because they aren't written by George Lucas, but they are meaningless when it comes to universe continuity.

Also, these novels are nothing more than glorified fan fiction. And its apparent.

Honestly, I've got mixed feelings about anyone working much further on the Star Wars universe. Lucas has seen fit to write everything himself for the last three films. Has decided that technology should take the place of storytelling; and has to add characters just because the fans think they want to see cameo appearances of characters like Jabba the Hutt, C3PO and R2D2, and Chewbacca in appearances that are either unnecessary or outright convoluting to the rest of the series of films.

Its like a developer who takes all of the ideas of the fans and implements them into a game without shitfiltering the bad ideas out, first.

I'd be just fine with Lucas ending it on a fairly high note with Revenge of the Sith and then leaving it alone. Forever.

Hell, they even used several of their ships to cause a moon to collide with this one planet, and guess what? Chewbacca was on that planet at the time of the attack and was killed.
I rest my case on the stupid, glorified fanfic.

[Snowmiser]

How can they be nothing but stupid glorified fanfics when they are apart of the Star Wars universe? To mearly call them that just because it didnt come from the hands of George Lucas himself is completely ignorant. So what, the literally hundreds of Star Wars novels, games, comics, and even the highly acclaimed ''New Jedi Order'' book series are stupid glorified fanfics? I may be misinterprating what you mean, but if George Lucas were to make a continuation of the Star Wars universe, why would he do that? Why would he make a new trilogy that COMPLETELY negates all of the novels, comics, games, etc. that take place after the original trilogy? George Lucas's writing may have gone stale over the years, but he isnt stupid enough to blow off the dozens of writers and such that have contributed to his universe.

I rest my case on the stupid, glorified fanfic.
So because it sounds bizzar, I guess its a stupid, glorified fanfic? K...... So since the Death Star is a giant planet destroying space station yet things like that are completely fictitious today, I guess that part about Star Wars is nothing but a stupid, glorified fanfic? OH SNAP.

Snowmiser: Please explain to me how the new trilogy negated numerous Star Wars novels.

It's funny how little sense you make. You tend to make random ramblings that prove nothing. Sorry, but it's true.

Lucas has completly changed the origin stories of C3PO, Boba Fett, The Stormtroopers, Death Star, etc. Now, when someone asks you where Boba Fett came from, are you going to give the fan fiction side of the story, or
are you going to say what you saw in Attack of the Clones?

If you say the fan fiction, then you are the ignorant.

The fan fiction is for fans of Star Wars who wish to add their own perspective. It can be fun and imaginative, but Lucas is ruler of all that is Star Wars so he can choose to use their stories or not. He usually tends not to use their stuff.

I mean I don't know how to explain it in simpler terms. George Lucas created Star Wars, he can do what he wants with it. Fan Fiction is someone else having fun in the Star Wars Universe, but hold no merit.

That's it. No Ifs, ands, or buts about it. Deal with it.

[Arandar]

Honestly, I've got mixed feelings about anyone working much further on the Star Wars universe. Lucas has seen fit to write everything himself for the last three films. Has decided that technology should take the place of storytelling; and has to add characters just because the fans think they want to see cameo appearances of characters like Jabba the Hutt, C3PO and R2D2, and Chewbacca in appearances that are either unnecessary or outright convoluting to the rest of the series of films.
That is the whole point. To show that BEFORE Emperor Palpatine took over creating the Empire that things WERE more technilogically advanced. That he basically destroyed stuff when he effectivly conquered the known galaxy, so he would have no opposition. Why do you think that when compared to Star Destoryers the Rebel ships for all intensive purposes, suck? I know you think th enovels mean nothing at all, but Lucas oks each and every one, and in one of them it said that 3 regular Imperial Star Destoryers could take on a fleet of 200 Rebel ships with no problem. And they wouldn't be crappy ones either, they would be, or at least some, capital ships. Thats the point of why things are shown as much more advanced now then in the original trilogy.

[Snowmiser]

Lucas has completly changed the origin stories of C3PO, Boba Fett, The Stormtroopers, Death Star, etc. Now, when someone asks you where Boba Fett came from, are you going to give the fan fiction side of the story, or
are you going to say what you saw in Attack of the Clones?


*slaps head*

Did you even bother with my whole post?

*sigh*

[Duality]

but if George Lucas were to make a continuation of the Star Wars universe, why would he do that? Why would he make a new trilogy that COMPLETELY negates all of the novels, comics, games, etc. that take place after the original trilogy?
If he wanted to, he would do it because its his property. He is the sole owner of the rights to all things Star Wars.

So because it sounds bizzar, I guess its a stupid, glorified fanfic? K...... So since the Death Star is a giant planet destroying space station yet things like that are completely fictitious today, I guess that part about Star Wars is nothing but a stupid, glorified fanfic?
Do you know what "fan fiction" is?

Fan fiction is a story written based on the works created by someone else. It is fiction created by fans. These books aren't bizarre, so much as they're just hackneyed and stupid. Most of the authors (and I've read a fair selection of the Del Rey books, so its not as though I'm speaking out of ignorance) do little more than rehash the same tired story elements, characters, and conflicts that existed before.

For example, Kevin J Anderson's Jedi Academy series adds absolutely nothing to the storyline. He brought Palpatine back as a clone. He used a prototype Death Star (which was almost certainly negated by the history of the Geonosians being the constructors of the original Death Star).

At least Timothy Zahn had the decency to flesh out an otherwise unknown character in Admiral Thrawn.

That is the whole point. To show that BEFORE Emperor Palpatine took over creating the Empire that things WERE more technilogically advanced.
That's not the technology I was referring to.

I meant his reliance on CGI, specifically. Its a subtle touch, but there is a difference between using CGI characters and using puppets.

Much of what made Ep4-6 so technically fantastic were the ways in which Lucas used what he had available to him to make the film he wanted. When he created Ep1-3 (and even the 4-6 remakes), he had CGI to take the effort and innovation out of the technology used to create the film. There was no creative effort in animating everything on a computer.

Look at what was required to animate Jabba the Hutt in the original RotJ. Two men in the body -- controlling each arm, making subtle facial changes like inflamation of the nasal passages, etc.; one man in the stomach area to control the tail, and another just to control the eyes.

In the ANH remake, we had a creature -- a mass of flesh that never stopped moving. It looked painfully fake. These aren't even real creatures where we have a realistic frame of reference (the reason why pre-rendered human animations never look correct).

The technology is available, but that doesn't mean it should necessarily be used. Afterall, when I look at a Star Wars film, I expect something fantastic. I don't expect to see a film that uses the same effort and technology that goes into a movie like Anacondas.

[Snowmiser]

Yes, I read your goddamn post. You say he changed the origins of all those things. I was asking what the original orgins that the ''fan-fiction'' writers came up with were.

Very different. Boba Fett was some Corelliean I believe, C3PO was made by Wedge's family, Stormtroopers were people not clones, etc.

It's all in the orignal Star Wars Guide to Characters, First Edition.

They had to come out with a new edition after Lucas changed the story to make it accurate because even publishers know that Lucas is lord of all that is Star Wars.

[Snowmiser]

I'm starting to see your point. But the part about Stormtroopers is flawed. You cant truly know how that worked out until episode 3 is released.

Boo Hoo. The point is, I'm right.

Sorry for being such a jackass now, but you don't seem to notice the mere seubteltly of my facts proving you wrong.

[Arandar]

I would say the first Stormtroopers are clones, but not all of them. When the Empire first starts out then yeah he would use the left over clones he was in charge of to form his army and take over, but once he has taken over he would use real people. You can kind of tell because Palpatine hated non-humans basically and only allowed humans into the Imperial army/navy. If he just used clones then why not just clone a Wookie and have those be all your troops? Wookies are much better warriors then humans are, especially if they are all cloned and programmed to do exactly what you tell them to.

[Duality]

Because, as you said, he is a racist.

It was long claimed that many/most of the Stormtroopers were volunteers and/or conscripts. And its a fair assumption considering every soldier had a different voice in the original film.

Its been claimed and more or less verified that Temuera Morrison redubbed all of the Stormtrooper lines in Ep4-6. I don't have any links of any official information, but its been pretty widely regarded as an almost certain truth.

[Mr_Pink]

Even though I am a huge Star Wars fan (damn that JarJar), I hope they don't make anymore Star Wars movies after Ep. III. If they do make a 7,8, and 9, it'll probably be major over-kill.

[Tulare]

ILM NDAs for Episodes 7,8 and 9
Tue, Aug 17, 04 02:22:05 AM EDT

"A little Jedi stopped by the inbox today with some information fans have to pray is actually happening. Rumors at best folks ... ones we love, but we have to remind you: rumors!

You didn't hear this from me, but you might be curious as to why everyone at ILM just signed NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) saying that they will not discuss Star Wars EP7, 8, or 9. Since they're not being made, why the NDA's? Of course, since when has the flannel one been consistent?

Good point. Please, please be true ..."

http://www.theforce.net/episode3/ (http://)

I find this as bittersweet news. More Star Wars sounds awesome, but after the prequeals, does anyone want more?

I can't picture anyone else playing Luke, Han, Leia, etc.

Would be nice to see Luke cave, an aged Mark Hamill may even make it cooler.