Is wrestling becoming good again?

[Kaptain0wnage]

At least this past RAW. Its the first time where I didnt just fast forward through almost the whole thing. In fact, I watched every minute of it, and it was awesome, even the female "wrestling" match with the water balloons.

[Malfunkshon]

Wrestling became interesting again with ECW coming back. The One Night Stand 2 PPV was great, but the ECW debut show on SciFi was lacking. Still, it's the most interesting thing to happen to wrestling in a reaaaaaaally long time, so I'm just waiting for someone to screw it up.

[GBPackersfan]

the zombie = greatest gimmick in the history of mankind

[Kaptain0wnage]

the zombie = greatest gimmick in the history of mankind

Thats was horrible. Im glad even the announcers made fun of that. But it kinda sucked having Kurt Angle just destroy Justin Credible (he should be able to, but with their limited superstars, they shouldnt make one of their former main eventers look so weak), and the same thing with the Big Show. At least Sabu won, so that should be interesting to see him vs Cena.

[All-Night John]

I'm going to say no.

[BGriff07]

i'm glad D-X is back so i say yesh, but smackdown is still boring as hell!

[MageMasher]

Fuck that. ECW on Sci-Fi was horrible.

[DeadMan]

ECW on Sci Fi was terrible... it wasn't supposed to be like that though. Heyman's scripts were changed.

[TwiztidICP]

I never liked Raw but TNA is good.

[Just Blaze]

Fuck that. ECW on Sci-Fi was horrible.
they owe me an hour back.

[DeadMan]

Apparently even Vince realizes it didn't go so well, so hopefully they fix it for next week. I'll give it another shot.

[HMG]

ECW on Sci-Fi was one of the worst wrestling shows I've seen in a while.

It was ECW with WWE elements. Which means they took some good dudes and put them in shitty matches. And they made John Cena and Edge look too good. Like it was a WWE show.

And their top guys are The Big Show and Kurt Angle. Do they have ANYthing to do with ECW? At One Night Stand Angle led the anti-ECW crusade.

I hated that Battle Royal. The Big Show basically eliminated everyone and got knocked out cheaply at the end.

Sabu vs John Cena won't be good. John Cena will either

A) Pin him after THE MOST DEVESTATING MOVE IN THE BUSINESS

or

B)Make him tap out

I don't know if ECW is a wrestling show or soem quick cash. Vince is just milking all of ZOMG OLD SCHOOL EXTREME HARDCORE ACTION for all its worth, and poorly.

ECW was a personality kind of, its selling point back in the day was that it wasn't WWF/WCW. Now that's all gone, I won't be surprised to see a WWE guy in there every week.

Also, lol at Taz saying "I think this new ECW will be better than the old ECW"

[GBPackersfan]

srsly:

It didn't help that it wasn't held in front of an ECW crowd. Fucking Smackdown crowd didn't do shit. No reaction for Sabu? Clowns.

I'm as big a fan of ECW as anyone, but yeah it was awful. Squash matches and a 5 minute battle royal. And that dumb bitch couldn't even unhook her bra!

Weak.

[Feelgood]

No. It's not.

[Ichiban]

srsly:

It didn't help that it wasn't held in front of an ECW crowd. Fucking Smackdown crowd didn't do shit. No reaction for Sabu? Clowns.

I'm as big a fan of ECW as anyone, but yeah it was awful. Squash matches and a 5 minute battle royal. And that dumb bitch couldn't even unhook her bra!

Weak.

The fact that they held that infront of an WWE crowd is what pissed me off. At One Night Stand 2006, Cena got boo'ed and all of a sudden on tuesday, he's the most popular guy at the ECW on SciFi. Not only that but there was no reaction for Sabu, or Sandman. And the fact that Kurt Angle, even though he is the best wrestler there, completely destroyed Justin Credible a former ECW Champion like he was a OVW rookie is total bullshit. I hope that they fix a lot of the problems they have for this tueday otherwise ECW is going to Fail and Fail quickly.

[Kaptain0wnage]

I wasnt talking about ECW though. I was pissed when it looked like it was being taped in the same place Raw was instead of the bingo hall, and they only managed to make it worse by bringing out The Zombie. I was talking about Raw itself, which was one of the best ive seen in I dont know how many years.

[Ichiban]

I wasnt talking about ECW though. I was pissed when it looked like it was being taped in the same place Raw was instead of the bingo hall, and they only managed to make it worse by bringing out The Zombie. I was talking about Raw itself, which was one of the best ive seen in I dont know how many years.

I believe ECW was live after the tapping of Smackdown

[Krysis]

It was on tape delay actually...

Since the "suits" at the SciFi channel were a little bit worried about something going wrong during the live feed..

[All-Night John]

They were concerned about the chants they heard at One Night Stand. Yeah, that's a real good network for ECW. :eyes:

[GBPackersfan]

Yeah, this ECW doesn't feel right at all.

The RAW tonight was very good, though. Felt like 1999 again.

[Captain N]

Huh. ECW.

-Cheesey plot lines
-RAW title belt
-RAW wrestlers
-Generic blonde chick getting naked and taking up ten minutes of air time

I'm not seeing how this is even slightly different from Smackdown or RAW.

[GBPackersfan]

well, the show got a little better. Less stupid Sci-Fi crap. And I thought Macho Libre was pretty funny, myself. Sandman's new gimmick is pretty awesome (kicking the shit out of lame gimmick wrestlers). The opening match and the main event were good. Needs more weapons, though, and a smaller crowd.

[DeadMan]

Ya, I believe it was actually live this time too. The main event was decent, it had some good moments.

[Kaptain0wnage]

Huh. ECW.

-Cheesey plot lines
-RAW title belt
-RAW wrestlers
-Generic blonde chick getting naked and taking up ten minutes of air time

I'm not seeing how this is even slightly different from Smackdown or RAW.

-Cuz we can distinguish plot lines after only 2 episode
-They have their own damn belt
-They have one wrestler from RAW. RVD doesnt count because he's ex-ECW
-I dont care how generic she is, shes fucking hot

How did this get to be about ECW anyway?

[HMG]

Do you think this means we'll finally get a good ECW game?

[Kaptain0wnage]

Do you think this means we'll finally get a good ECW game?

I doubt it. ECW will probably just become part of Smackdown.

[DeadMan]

Ya, there is rumor that the upcoming game will be renamed from Smackdown vs. Raw 2007 to WWE vs. ECW.

[Captain N]

-Cuz we can distinguish plot lines after only 2 episode
-They have their own damn belt
-They have one wrestler from RAW. RVD doesnt count because he's ex-ECW
-I dont care how generic she is, shes fucking hot

How did this get to be about ECW anyway?

I'm pretty sure I saw Edge, Cena, Angle, and Orton on ECW last night.

[All-Night John]

The RAW tonight was very good, though. Felt like 1999 again.
Probably because they're using plots from '99. It was better than usual. It's kind of sad that the most creative thing they can come up with is plotlines from 7 years ago. It was mainly entertaining because Shawn and Triple H are still funny guys. The wrestling still sucked. We got a crappy Randy Orton match, a crappy women's match, which was thankfully short, and a crappy Umaga squash match. I know it's the guy from 3 Minute Warning! You can't fool me, Vince. And how has a retard gimmick lasted this long, anyways?

The Sabu spot was awesome, even though they tried to use it to pump up Cena more. Like he needs it.

ECW was a little better than last week, but not by much. And really only because we actually got an ECW match: Sabu/Mamaluke.

These weekly Kelly strip shows need to stop. It was longer than last week. Hey, at least they gave her a bra that hooks in the front. Even an idiot could take that off.

Can Sandman get an actual match? I get it, ECW isn't about gimmicks. Well, it will be if they keep this up. And his little promo was just said. Of course the fans don't care about him. They're there for Smackdown. Which sucks. Get ECW out of WWE arenas. When Cena gets the biggest pop of the night, there's a big problem.

The main even was decent, and it looked like Orton actually got hurt, which makes me happy. Still, it was 3/4 WWE guys. Feh.

Ooooh, and Test is coming! Yeah, that'll help things. -_-

[Kaptain0wnage]

I'm pretty sure I saw Edge, Cena, Angle, and Orton on ECW last night.

Didnt watch it yet, so I do know. Edge and and Cena are just appearing on there for some story line, Angle was a Smackdown star that was drafted to ECW and Orton is appearing for some fued he has with Angle. Big Show is the only person from Raw that is on ECWs roster that wasnt there before.

[DeadMan]

Orton looked hurt because he actually was, dislocated shoulder I believe.

[Captain N]

Didnt watch it yet, so I do know. Edge and and Cena are just appearing on there for some story line, Angle was a Smackdown star that was drafted to ECW and Orton is appearing for some fued he has with Angle. Big Show is the only person from Raw that is on ECWs roster that wasnt there before.

He's still a WWE wrestler. And for a brand that's doing nothing but saying how much they don't like WWE, they're sure using alot of their stars.

[HMG]

I gave WWECW one more chance last night, and they failed me once again.

They shouldn't have even tried. The first two episodes of ECW were probably the worst wrestling shows in recent memory. While ECW: One Night Stand Was probably the best Pay-Per-View in the past few months.

You really shouldn't try to bring ECW back to its glory when their top motherfuckers work for TNA (Rhyno, The Dudleyz, etc)

And how the hell can RVD be ECW champ? He hasn't even beat Rhyno yet.

About Kurt Angle and The Big Show, I see what they're trying to do, and they're doing it wrong.

I think they're trying to get some NEW stars in the ECW rather than it just being a trip down memory lane. Which is a good idea, but they're using the wrong superstars.

[Kaptain0wnage]

He's still a WWE wrestler. And for a brand that's doing nothing but saying how much they don't like WWE, they're sure using alot of their stars.

You said Raw though. RVD and Angle were both drafted and Big Show turned sides at One Night Stand. Edge and Cena are there because theyre involved with the Raw title storyline, which RVD currently holds along side the ECW title. I actually hope more WWE people go there. Theres alot of people there that could be successful under the ECW umbrella if they stop fucking it up, not to mention their roster is fairly thin.

Paul London
Psicosis
Super Crazy
maybe Matt Hardy
Ken Kennedy
Jamie Noble
Kid Kash
Hardcore Holly
Chris Benoit
Gene Snitsky
Val Venis
Viscera

They should also steal some people from TNA

[All-Night John]

Don't forget, TEST IS COMING!!!!

[Kaptain0wnage]

Don't forget, TEST IS COMING!!!!

I always liked Test, and I thought it sucked that they never found a place for him.

[All-Night John]

Orton looked hurt because he actually was, dislocated shoulder I believe.
That doesn't sound serious enough.

[Ichiban]

That doesn't sound serious enough.

It isnt, I was hoping that he broke his arm but NOOOOOO. I will say that the Second episode was better then the first episode and there should be more old ECW wrestlers coming (I believe they are working out contracts) but the fact still remains that they need more wrestling and less of the pointless Kelly strip fest, sure she is hot but it doesnt add to any thing. Hopefully as they start filling up the roster they will have more matches and less Edge. And whats wrong with RVD winning the ECW Title? Everyone knew he was going to get it in a matter of months if he didnt break his leg.

[DeadMan]

Spike Dudley tore up his contract on live TV, so he wont be coming back anytime soon. They definitely need to get the Dudleys back though.
The Kelly bit needs to go, I would much rather see a match then some slut strip for the camera (it has only been done 10000000 times on TV).

[Kaptain0wnage]

Spike Dudley tore up his contract on live TV, so he wont be coming back anytime soon. They definitely need to get the Dudleys back though.
The Kelly bit needs to go, I would much rather see a match then some slut strip for the camera (it has only been done 10000000 times on TV).

Yeah. It would be great to have the Dudleys back. Im so sick of them being call Brother Ray, Brother D Von and Runt. Like I said, they need to start getting some people back from TNA like they did with Sabu. Make Raven grow his hair and stop wearing a skirt and bring him back.

[GBPackersfan]

ECW looked better again tonight. Fucking great to see Roadkill in a match again. The main event wasn't too bad, either, except for the "We want Cena" chants and numerous submission holds at the beginning. The whole Kelly thing is annoying, though. Next week they're in Philly (home of ECW), so maybe we'll get a lively crowd instead of the prepubescent SD one.

[C0lin]

I liked the Angle vs RVD match.

[Ichiban]

ECW looked better again tonight. Fucking great to see Roadkill in a match again. The main event wasn't too bad, either, except for the "We want Cena" chants and numerous submission holds at the beginning. The whole Kelly thing is annoying, though. Next week they're in Philly (home of ECW), so maybe we'll get a lively crowd instead of the prepubescent SD one.

The worst part about them being in Philly is they are not going to the ECW Arena, they are going to the freaking Wachovia Center where Smackdown will be held. I would at least think if they were going to Philly they would go to their Home Arena like TNA did a few days before ECW One Night Stand 2006

[GBPackersfan]

oh well. at least it's in the general area. i heard that they're going to start touring separately and going to smaller venues, which is exactly what it needs for an ECW feel.

[HMG]

I liked the Angle vs RVD match.

I was surprised by that match. I could've sworn Angle would pick up the win. Or Edge was gonna interfere. Lots of near falls and such. Good stuff.

[DeadMan]

The worst part about them being in Philly is they are not going to the ECW Arena, they are going to the freaking Wachovia Center where Smackdown will be held. I would at least think if they were going to Philly they would go to their Home Arena like TNA did a few days before ECW One Night Stand 2006

Actually Smackdown is going to be filmed after Raw on monday... ECW will have the arena to themselves on tuesday.

[All-Night John]

This is the worst Raw I've ever seen.

[Ichiban]

This is the worst Raw I've ever seen.

There was like no Crowd reaction to anything but the last match from what I could tell. Not Even DX could get the crowd to chear or anything it was quite funny to watch what little reaction the fans were giving. And what about the look on that Kids face when Edge won the Championship? PRICELESS!!

[All-Night John]

Don't count on Rhino joing ECW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cabLisakc&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b). I may have to start watching TNA.

[Kaptain0wnage]

Don't count on Rhino joing ECW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5cabLisakc&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b). I may have to start watching TNA.

Yeah, its probably for the best. They fire a bunch of people, and now they want to hire em back for a watered down version of ECW. They might as well just call it RAW 2.

[ddavenport]

LOL, that kid was like, "WHAT?"

[KingKRool]

TNA ftw.

[Ichiban]

TNA ftw.

TNA, while good, still has it's problems (I mean come one is Jeff Jarrett a believable champion when he stole his whole act from Ric Flair and Honky Tonk Man?) Plus they are trying to hard to put storylines in their shows, I liked it better when everyone didnt have a storyline going on when they put on a match, and storylines were used when they needed to change something (like splitting up a tag team, or pushing new talent on the roster). I cant stand when they break up good wrestling to give Kevin Nash or Jarrett a mic to do a shoot. I've had the same problem with WWE for a while, thats why I dont care about the storylines most of the time, and why I can still watch it.