Hey look, a circumcision rant.

[Blind Unknown]

Okay, one thing.

This topic has been brought up WAAAAAAY too fucking much lately, to the point where I get irritated by the fact I have a penis. Yes, that was an exaggeration on the last bit, but none the less I am getting a tad annoyed. An entire tad.

Anyway, for those of you who are completely out of the know, half of the population has something called a penis. The penis normally has a foreskin. IE skin on the front of the penis. Hey look the word foreskin makes sense.

Moving on, a majority around the fraction of 3/4 of penises have this thing. The others don't, because they were circumcised. The skin was cut off from around where it normally is. Circum-cision. Wow those nifty doctors, them making sense at labeling shit!

Well while it may be as simple as the old news said above, it gets complicated. Because there are a group of assholes who go around screaming bloody murder that circumcision is the end all be all of tortures, there's a group of assholes who advocates circumcising every newborn penis until the cows come home, and there's everyone else who really doesn't give too much of a shit.

I fall in somewhere different. AKA common sense. And a dash of not giving a shit, but then again I am writing this, so who knows.

Let's start. First of all, MALE CIRCUMCISION IS NOT MUTILATION. What they call female circumcision is, and it isn't even a circumcision. It's just hacking off the clit, the equivalent of slicing off the head of the penis. Without the foreskin (and the frenelum, the tether that holds the foreskin in place, which is sometimes cut off along with the foreskin), the penis can still masturbate/have sex, pleasure women/men, get sexually stimulated, and get sexually stimulated to the point of orgasm. Huzzah.

The procedure itself is not BARBARIC, MUTILATION, OR OMIGOSH OH NOES TEH PEENZRORZ IS BEING DESTROYED PROTEST.

However, I am against the practice of circumcising babies "just because". In truth there really isn't any reason to circumcise anyone, except for constant infections, inflammations, or tight foreskins. It does help in not getting/spreading AIDS, but condoms do it tons better. If a guy wants to get circumcised for aesthetic reasons, or to get less sensitive (see reference 1 for tidbit on the matter) because he's a one-pump-chump, he may do so as he pleases. Because it's his decision. You're robbing your son of a decision concerning HIS EFFING PENIS when you circumcise him at birth. It's unfair because once you're circumcised, that's it. Well you could restore the foreskin but it takes FOREVER.

In conclusion, circumcision is not a hellish pleasure-killing procedure, but doing it to babies or anyone who doesn't have a say in it is the barbaric part of the whole thing.

Now enough dick talk, I need to shower and finish laundry.

(1 - (two points to this. To the protesting nutjobs, IT DOES NOT REDUCE SENSATION DRAMATICALLY ENOUGH TO WARRANT LABELING IT MUTILATION. I have already listed that the circumcised penis can do what natural ones do, and to some women arguably better. It makes it less sensitive in the sense that it takes longer for it to achieve orgasm, in turn giving more opportunity to give the lady an orgasm, or to enjoy sex longer. To the cutting-happy idiots, DENY ALL YOU WANT THERE STILL IS A REDUCTION IN SENSATION. The foreskin itself has nerve endings in it, and the glans is constantly exposed, so that it takes either more intense or longer stimulation for it to get off.)

[Rayo]

I love my foreskin, my foreskin is awesome.


I thought most the population was cut though?

Anyway yeah, from people who actually are cut. They don't seem to bitch about it.

[Blind Unknown]

In the US it's around half, I was speaking in terms of the world. Which in that case the ratio is probably even more extreme than 3:1. In fact undoubtably so.

[Arandar]

I believe its said the U.S. and the Jews are the only people that do cut. Yet I think most woman, well maybe not as far as saying woman, know about it. Since being cut in the U.S. is the norm if you're not then people think theres something wrong with you. I believe this was semi explained on an episode of Seinfeld.

[Regole]

I didn't even know I was circumcised until I was 14. Kinda freaked me out the first time I saw an uncircumcised penis.

[Digital*Firefly]

Foreskin is gross.

[Blind Unknown]

They just look weird because you're used to your own.

If you were born with yours intact, you wouldn't think it gross.

[Digital*Firefly]

Good point Blind

[Burr]

I just remembered the huge debate we had about it on UE/FLUGO..

I really don't care one way or another, but I do think it's incredibly insulting and counterproductive that people against it go so far as to call it mutilation, as everything still works perfectly fine. I'm cut and I think cut just looks slightly better, but it's not a big deal. In 99% of cases it really doesn't matter what you choose and each has its minor benefits/caveats, so just let parents decide what's best and stop recommending it across the board.

[Rayo]

I just remembered the huge debate we had about it on UE/FLUGO..

I really don't care one way or another, but I do think it's incredibly insulting and counterproductive that people against it go so far as to call it mutilation, as everything still works perfectly fine. I'm cut and I think cut just looks slightly better, but it's not a big deal. In 99% of cases it really doesn't matter what you choose and each has its minor benefits/caveats, so just let parents decide what's best and stop recommending it across the board.

Burr is your boyfriend Uncut?

If hes uncut then hes cool.

[Burr]

Nope, he's cut, too.

Funny though. It never occurred to me until now that he might not have been, heh.

[Rayo]

Nope, he's cut, too.

Funny though. It never occurred to me until now that he might not have been, heh.

I'm assuming you guys cut to the chase.

[Blind Unknown]

I'm assuming you guys cut to the chase.

Ohohoh, when WILL the wit end?

[Frequency]

People always seem to get really outrageously aggressive about things they either choose not to understand or just plain don't understand. Do what you want with your kid, and shut up about it.

[Blind Unknown]

Meh, the "worry about your own kid" thing is good, and what's most common, I was really never exposed to any contraversy over the subject until the internet.

Still, I don't think it's 100% fine for parents to just decide to cut something off at birth right from the get go.

[Frequency]

Who else is going to decide? The baby?

[Blind Unknown]

Yes, the baby, when it's old enough to even consider the thought.

There are many men who do it when they're old enough to remember...the actual procedure isn't painful, just the few days after when it heals. Either for aesthetic reasons, to desensitize, or any other reason.

[Frequency]

I wasn't aware that many men get their junk cut off later on in life. Do you have a source on that?

It's my belief that those parents out there who claim to be giving their baby the choice are just saying that so it sounds good. You aren't giving him a choice at all, you're making it for him, which is shockingly what you have to do as parents sometimes! Unless it's some medical emergency, I'm sure if you polled the world the majority of men would not want to be circumcised. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's how they grew up, it's what they know. Parents choosing not to get their baby circumcised are making a choice for that baby and they'd rather not admit to it for whatever retarded reason.

[Emptythought]

Yes, the baby, when it's old enough to even consider the thought.
signed

i hate to quote south park, but remember that episode where cartman wants them to keep kenny on life support. the one based on that whole terry schiavo fuckup. at the end everyone goes "well he was right, but for the wrong reasons"

the anti-circumcision people are right, but for the wrong reasons. and the pro-circumcision people are wrong for the wrong reasons.

[Burr]

The only reason I really defer to the parents is sometimes it's a cultural/religious thing. While it's a bit silly, there's a lot worse things you can do to a kid in the name of that. Or who knows, maybe there's a family history of issues with the foreskin and they want to avoid the possible problem altogether. Sure, you can say just wait until it becomes an issue with the infections, but that can be rather painful and troublesome for a grown kid. If you can possibly avoid that inconvenience for them, why not go for it in that case?

Don't get me wrong I do think ideally you don't mess with it and let them decide in the future, but I can't get myself that worked up about it since I've obviously been through it without incident. Perhaps that clouds my judgment.

[AK47]

I was talking to one of my friends about this today, crazy story. He's a really big fuck-up in school, skips every day, and he almost had to go to court last week for marijuana possesion. His dad told him, "Well, you don't have a phone, a TV or computer in your room, or a car, and you don't ever really do anything. So since I can't really ground you, I'm going to have your foreskin removed."

It's the most hilarious dose of tough love I've ever heard. Apparently it's of great value to some people if it's removed as punishment, I know I love mine, spanking it is ten times easier. Anteaters ftw.

[Reffy]

My foreskin brings all the girls to the yard...