Please do not add Video Game Outsiders

[jacknoss]

I am begging All Games as a fan of VGO not to ruin their show by bringing them on the network. I have watched how All Games destroyed GamerAndy Live and I do not want the same to happen to my favorite podcast.

I believe it is plainly obvious that all Scott wants is Michelle by the way he acts on his show. I am convinced that it is Scott's intent to hire Michelle away from VGO to work on his show in LA, John and Kyle be damned. I like the show as a whole. Scott is from G4 so it makes sense that he wants to deal mostly with girl gamers and video game vixens. I have no problem with that, except for the fact that it will destroy my favorite podcast in the process.

Please, All Games, I beg of you, do not invite VGO. I had thought that maybe it was over and that VGO rejected All Games like Gamertag Radio did, but apparently the recent runins about Blackwolf being a jerk just meant that it was still in the works. I like VGO just the way it is. As outsiders. Not insiders on a network run by someone who only wants one third of the cast.

[agn]

Ok Jacknoss...I think you're missing the part about AGI that it's a comedy show. I am not looking to break up the beatles, or lure Michelle away from VGO. We don't change ANYTHING about affiliate shows. Im not sure how we destroyed Gamer Andy Live by giving them a toll free number and any resources they needed to make the show live.
Im sure you are probably making a joke, but just in case, let me make it clear...we never change anything about our affiliates. VGO said they liked our "station" concept and wanted to be a part of it. We're having fun, it's podcasting about games and I hope you see that's all it is.

How did All Games destroy Gamer Andy Live?

[jacknoss]

GamerAndy had a good show until they joined your network and had to do a live show in a constrained time period. Now they are scrambling to pick up the pieces of their show. The live shows they produced for All Games was nothing like the shows they did prerecorded. I am happy they have left for greener pastures, I just wish it had happened sooner.

[agn]

Nobody forced them to do a show live, they wanted to. You really don't know what you're talking about. If you want VGO to NOT be on All Games Radio, why aren't you spamming their forums? We're not forcing anyone to join.

[JoEDigiTECH]

Jacknoss is a douche.

[havok978]

I'm certainly, by no means, any expert on the matter, but there appears to be some interesting stuff in here.

1) I doubt Allgames "destroyed" GamerAndy Live. Am I wrong in assuming that one of the primary reasons its no longer live is because GA wants to elevate his site to a more Kotaku/Joystiq/etc. lvl site? (EDIT: Ok, I just read a Jan post from him on his site about the matter and it sounds more like a matter of convenience and being able to put out a better show. He says he has no problems with AllGames and would not rule out a return)

2) I think you're reading a bit too much into Scot's horndog act. I've never picked up on any indication during the show that Scot intends to spirit Michelle away to AGI, which I think already has a great chemistry as it is between himself, Jess, and Mr Young. I'll refrain from comment on the Scot/G4 jab...

3) The Blackwolf being a "jerk" in chat thing was actually explained in chat, by Blackwolf, to Scot, in which apparently Blackwolf made a joke or a statement and Michelle actually went along with it. Although, BW can be abrupt and to the point at times, hence why it may have appeared worse then it was.

All that said, not that AGI needed my defence, I just started listening to VGO recently myself, and I enjoy it. I think its going to be a part of my regular rotation. However, I think saying that AG will ruin the show is a bit much.

[Gryff Seeker]

Gimme a T
Gimme a R
Gimme a O
Gimme a L
Gimme another L
What does that spell?

[skie]

Please allow me to clarify, as part of a proud allgames affiliate, that we have not once ever been asked to change the content of our show to suit allgames needs. There are only 2 major differences in our show when it comes to allgames: 1) We provide a bonus segment of our show for re-broadcast on allgames, but this was of our own discretion as something we wanted to do for a network that supports us and not something that was asked by allgames. 2) We re-encode the show at a different bit-rate for use on allgames feed. This is easily accomplished by re-saving the file in adobe audition.

*IF* Michelle ever wanted to leave VGO, which I *highly* doubt she does as they've enjoyed a lot of success in 2006, this would be a decision of her own accord. I'm only saying this because you make it sound like Scot wants to put her in a burlap bag, swing her over his shoulder and kidnap her to Arena Interactive lounge. Plllllleeeeeease. Scot's happily married and just acts a bit like the Howard Stern of gaming. It's an on-air thing. As I understand it, Michelle has been laughing it all off and letting it roll off her back, she was even in chat the other night. I think if Michelle really had a problem with what Scot was doing though, unlike Howard Stern, he'd stop right away.

Scot / Lawrence / Bobby et al. are big supporters of independent podcasting. I was on the show Monday night for no other reason than to pimp out OLR's show that night and try to gain some listeners. Every show in this thread: VGO, All Games, OLR & Gamer Andy all have one thing in common and that is that we are independent broadcasters without the backing of a major magazine or game company. If any of us ever have aspirations to get the sort of ratings that come with all that built-in advertising those corp-casts have (regardless of the quality of product the corporate shows are producing), we have to work together, not against each other.... And *that*, sir, is what Allgames is really all about.

[Vezz]

All Games Is a great place for all gamers to give the opinions and Ideas .This is a great place you can find any type of podcast you like to listen to.Bobby does great work just as all The members of Allgames

[Funnydale]

Nobody forced them to do a show live, they wanted to. You really don't know what you're talking about. If you want VGO to NOT be on All Games Radio, why aren't you spamming their forums? We're not forcing anyone to join.

Actually, he has been spamming their forums...

http://videogameoutsiders.com/forum/index.php?topic=1912.msg19787;boardseen#new

[CoastalMichelle]

Well, I don't know where to start with this one! Skie, you pretty much summed up my feelings on the entire issue. Good Job Greenie! ;)

Sorry this surfaced here. Unfortunately we have been getting a few forum posts and/or e-mails from people like Jack with a similar sentiment towards All Games, however I think it's way off base. I highly doubt All Games has the power to ruin a show, if anything, it offers up more exposure, in addition to new and exciting options for both the podcasters, and their listeners alike.

Also Jack, just because Scot jokes around with me on air, or otherwise - does not mean he actually likes me or only wants the show because a girl is on it. Let's be real! VGO as a whole thinks the All Games concept is pretty cool, and knows that Bobby, Scot, and the entire team don't choose shows to add based on something as superficial as that. It's all in good fun!

Im glad you enjoy our show, and I hope you continue to do so.. but come on back to our forums so we can work this out over there.

[JoEDigiTECH]

I am glad to read the posts from Coastal Michelle over at video game outsiders. Hopefully this whole mess will bring us all closer together. One happy digital family. I mean, stop all this uglyness, think of the children.

[agn]

What's so weird is that, All Games Radio simply offers other shows to include their existing shows in our lineup that streams live. That's it. It's just about giving people a place to come and listen to some of these shows together in chat, or to expose the shows to people that may not have found them elsewhere. The whole "Gamertag turned us down" etc. is ridiculous, as we've had an open policy for people who wanted to be a part of All Games Radio. We've never begged anyone to join AGR, we just want to make it available.
Also, we're not some big corporation,

I took the money I made at G4 and invested it into an evolved version of the old All Games Network because I believe in authentic talk and entertainment about gamers by gamers. That's all nothing else.

[BloodShot iPod]

If anything we should thank our new friend jacknoss. This sort of thing promotes podcast cross pollination, much like the CAGcast "fued" did.

Thank you Jack Noss! You are a true asset to the Allgames.com family.

[hoyle1911]

Jacknoss is an ass. Coastal Michelle has already distanced herself and the VGO podcast from his position.

[dhopkins]

Does this mean AGR has a bad reputation in the podcasting community. Michelle said that there were a few posts like Jacknoss on the VGO board. Which leads me to believe that someone out there is going around bad mouthing AGR.

D

[Magnum 50 Cal]

Does anyone think Jacknoss should be banned?

[Blackwolf]

I have a moral objection to banning people who merely dislike me.

[BioHazard82]

Well its not only that he does not like you BB but he has a general dislike against the whole AGN site period. He thinks that it is the black hole of podcasting, that anything that goes into becomes nothing or not as it was.

I don't think he should be banned, because everyone has their right to their own opinion, but he needs to have actual legitimate proof of what he's so damn against.

[CoastalMichelle]

Does this mean AGR has a bad reputation in the podcasting community. Michelle said that there were a few posts like Jacknoss on the VGO board. Which leads me to believe that someone out there is going around bad mouthing AGR.
D

No, I don't think the overall impression of All Games from the general gaming community is bad - in fact quite the contrary. My comment was in reference to a few e-mails from people mentioning CAG/Bobby/GamerAndy.. I don't know what went on there (probably nothing) nor do I care! I assumed they were disgruntled fans of their shows (nor did I think those one or two fans spoke for their respected shows either).

The whole reason I checked out All Games was because a few of VGO's listeners directed me to it. Needless to say, I am glad they did.

Fact is, when you are exposed to enough people, there are always going to be some who dislike you, and feel the need to voice it. I learned that the hard way :)

[JoEDigiTECH]

Fact is, when you are exposed to enough people, there are always going to be some who dislike you, and feel the need to voice it. I learned that the hard way :)


I guess I haven't exposed my self enough. Everyone loves me. lol:p

[agn]

some people actually hate Grover. How the hell can someone hate GROVER??
Nobody is universally loved, not even muppets.

[skie]

some people actually hate Grover. How the hell can someone hate GROVER??
Nobody is universally loved, not even muppets.

Scot, Grover is a really bad influence on children! Haven't you ever seen what goes on behind the scenes at sesame street?

http://hpbimg.giersbeck.de/sposse.jpg

[agn]

those muppets are gangsta, that only happened after Jim Henson died. Lack of a father figure can drive muppets to drugs and violence.

[Magnum 50 Cal]

those muppets are gangsta, that only happened after Jim Henson died. Lack of a father figure can drive muppets to drugs and violence.I wonder if they popped a cap in Big Bird

[exhale]

I wonder if they popped a cap in Big Bird

Actually I received word from Big Bird that he is alright. However after the attempt of murder, things went, let's say, a little downhill. Big Bird and Kermit were spotted one more time, nobody ever heard of them since:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/21886
(click watch this movie :p )

On topic: AGN has never destroyed another podcast, and never will. If anything, it gave more exposure to other independant podcasts. I really love what the network is doing, and hope they continue to do so for a lot of years to come. The atmosphere in the AGI podcast is just fantastic :)

[broxy bear]

although i no longer listen to VGO i think it would be a great move for the podcasters as this gives them alot more exposure to the gaming comunity and just dont understand the people that are unhappy about

[SonyBoy Curtis]

although i no longer listen to VGO i think it would be a great move for the podcasters as this gives them alot more exposure to the gaming comunity and just dont understand the people that are unhappy about
Yeah I don't think the core issue was ever touched upon. VGO is boring. 2 hours of nothing really. But hey thats a surprise for the listners so don't let me give away any secrets.

[agn]

We want to provide as wide a selection of game talk as possible. I think we have a great group here and I'm interested in more shows as people suggest them. I have plans to create some theme nights around the various shows with contests and trivia in between on the live stream. I hope people will continue to suggest shows we should bring on board.

[ottoman673]

Scot, i appreciate you and Blackwolf's work to bring the show onboard.

As for the people who don't want the show on AGR: To each their own.

Intrest was shown in getting VGO on the radio, and VGO liked the Allgames layout and how it works, so... voila. After a few months, here we are.

Looking forward to listening Thursday nights at 9pm!

[SeymourBewty]

I don't really care for VGO, as I don't agree with a lot of their opinions and they seem a bit too casual for my tastes, but I think it's cool that they got added to the station lineup. I agree with Scot that there needs to be wider selection, and this seems to be right up there with that thought. Good on ya, AGI.

[hoyle1911]

I'm beginning to tire of VGO personally, as their opinions are too impression-based so it's hard to gauge whether the games they talk about are any good. They're good background noise though, so I stay subscribed. The best thing is their listenership is large and will bring more attention to AGR network.

[Flavius]

Thus far, I'm liking it. In a way, it reminds me of the earlier AGI podcasts. If I have one complaint, it seems like they forget they have an audience of listeners out there tuning in to their show (although, admittedly, this is coming from a first-time listener). They obviously gel well together, but I think it would benefit from a little more structure, and possibly, more integration with their listeners.

Otherwise, solid stuff. I'll definitely be tuning in to hear more. :)

[BrokenEmpires]

You know they are only adding the tits, otherwise nobody would have looked twice.

[Velirno]

I started listening to VGO after Scot talked with Michelle a few times on AGI and found a show that has some actually refreshing opinions. I like to have variation in my podcasts while I'm at work so that I don't fall asleep. I don't see how AGN can actually "kill" a podcast, because there's no strict guideline that forces them to have content every week. Look at Game-Addict Hotline. His computer was down if I remember right and Scot didn't give him hell at all. I welcome VGO onto the network and hope for more variety like them in the future.