Xbox 360 gets to Install Games!!!!

[LowVoltag3]

http://majornelson.com/

· Play from hard drive. Copy your games from the game disc and play directly from the hard drive. Not only will the drive not spin, but load times are quicker, as well. Of course, you will still need the disc in the tray to prove you own the game.

[Lord Moon]

Still don't like the idea.

Well check that.....with big multi-disc games like Lost Odyssey OK...I guess. I'm just not completely sold on this idea of installing a game on a console. I guess my idea of what a console should be is changing.

A side note, how much you wanna bet this was a selling point to Square/Enix to bring FFXIII over?

[J0HN-666-McCLANE]

this will dramatically cut down on consoles that eats discs atleast.

[Digital*Firefly]

Still don't like the idea.

Well check that.....with big multi-disc games like Lost Odyssey OK...I guess. I'm just not completely sold on this idea of installing a game on a console. I guess my idea of what a console should be is changing.

A side note, how much you wanna bet this was a selling point to Square/Enix to bring FFXIII over?

It is optional. Anything to cut down on the disc drive noise.

[gk128]

It's lame because you still need the disc to play it.

[Digital*Firefly]

It's lame because you still need the disc to play it.

Of course you need the disc. Other wise you could just rent games and copy them to the drive.

[LowVoltag3]

Of course you need the disc. Other wise you could just rent games and copy them to the drive.

exactly

[gk128]

Of course you need the disc. Other wise you could just rent games and copy them to the drive.

If I'm putting the disc in then why am I installing it? Sounds like they are installing the whole disc anyway. I think it's not really needed.

[Digital*Firefly]

If I'm putting the disc in then why am I installing it? Sounds like they are installing the whole disc anyway. I think it's not really needed.

Installing the game to the HDD cuts down on load times. Reading from the HDD is quicker than reading from the DVD. Plus it will be quieter than hearing the dvd drive running all the time.

[gk128]

Installing the game to the HDD cuts down on load times. Reading from the HDD is quicker than reading from the DVD. Plus it will be quieter than hearing the dvd drive running all the time.

Yeah I know, but still I fail to care. So I gain 1 second of load time and can play with the volume down a little more.

I just think that with DVDs this is not needed and I won't be using it. Others can if they have the space I guess.

[LowVoltag3]

Yeah I know, but still I fail to care. So I gain 1 second of load time and can play with the volume down a little more.

I just think that with DVDs this is not needed and I won't be using it. Others can if they have the space I guess.

I see what you're saying but they would be insane to do this because of the piracy that would ensue.

[gk128]

I see what you're saying but they would be insane to do this because of the piracy that would ensue.

I know about the piracy stuff, but I mean taking out that factor it's still stupid.

[Lord Moon]

Don't you have to do the same thing on the PS3? Insert disc to play, even though it's installed on the hard drive?

[gk128]

Don't you have to do the same thing on the PS3? Insert disc to play, even though it's installed on the hard drive?

I dislike it there too. Using standard DVD though I don't see the need for this on 360. Luckily it's totally optional.

[Token White Guy]

120GB HDD FTW. Mass Effect and GTA needs it.

[InnerLogic]

Nice that they are adding it in, but I will probably never use it. I'm always running out of space on my 360 HDD anyway, and there is no way in hell I'm gonna pay the overinflated price they charge for an upgraded one.

[alexsan]

Don't you have to do the same thing on the PS3? Insert disc to play, even though it's installed on the hard drive?

that's exactly what I thought, and its the same thing people complained about before, but it is better on the 360 because its optional.

[Violence in HD]

It's too bad the only reasonably priced 360 came with a 20GB HDD, and I'm not about to spend $Way too much.00 for a small-ass upgrade (120? Big fucking deal. My laptop has more).

[quashpdarkman]

if microsoft had the nerve to lower the prices of their hard drives ($200+ for a 120gb laptop hard drive was justifiable in 2002) and get rid of the 20gb altogether, there'd be 360 developers doing the same thing because it would allow for better looking and sounding games with less load times.

not bragging or anything, but i called this one right.

It's too bad the only reasonably priced 360 came with a 20GB HDD, and I'm not about to spend $Way too much.00 for a small-ass upgrade (120? Big fucking deal. My laptop has more).

get a refurbished 360, broken 360 hard drive off of ebay and a 200gb laptop drive. replace the broken hard drive in the casing, install new one.

costs less than a 360 premium.

[BloodShot iPod]

I agree with gk128. All features that I rarely use should be removed from the 360 regardless of whether or not others use them. Buncha jerks always using stuff I don't like.

[AmazedsatSuma]

As long it stays optional, I don't care

[C0lin]

Thank god I'm an Elite owner. How much would this help with the heat? It couldn't hurt.

[GenoBaby]

I don't really mind installs as long as they are not long. MGS4 8 minute install wasn't that bad... i was so focused on staring on the 3D model of snake didn't realize the time flew... but the 20 minute install for DMC4... that was brutal because we loaded it up in the office during a break... and the install took up a chunk of the break.

[BBboy20]

Can anybody tell that M$ now starting to cause problems?

[Octocamo]

lmao @ people hating installs on PS3 1 month ago

[Nut_Man]

This is so dumb. it sets a bad precedent and I cant believe Microsoft is doing this.

[Token White Guy]

What's wrong with it? If it speeds up loading times I'm all for it.

[LowVoltag3]

This is so dumb. it sets a bad precedent and I cant believe Microsoft is doing this.

LOL What?!?! What does that even mean? How the hell are they setting a bad precedent by allowing OPTIONAL installs?

[kennytee]

Yeah, it is kind of funny how so many were bashing Sony for this not so long ago. However, if it is an optional install, I guess that'll do. But MS had better drop the price on their hard drives. I'm guessing everyone is going to need a larger one in the near future. I wonder how much space that graphic-y new dashboard is going to need?

[quashpdarkman]

This is so dumb. it sets a bad precedent and I cant believe Microsoft is doing this.

you sound like the same kind of person that bitched about the change from cartridges to cd-based media.

[Davidb69]

People are whiny today.

[jay irv]

sounds like good business to me. you see something you're competitor is doing, you take it make it your own, and think about the people who will see this and consider buying the larger(and probably way overpriced) hdd

[Nut_Man]

LOL What?!?! What does that even mean? How the hell are they setting a bad precedent by allowing OPTIONAL installs?

Because in the future we could see mandatory installs like on the PS3, or optional installs that you need or else the game is basically unplayable. Installs on a console are retarded.

you sound like the same kind of person that bitched about the change from cartridges to cd-based media.

What you said makes no sense at all as there is absolutely no comparison to be made here.

[quashpdarkman]

What you said makes no sense at all as there is absolutely no comparison to be made here.

uhh, yeah there is.

cartridges don't have loading screens. cd's do. that was the main argument against cd's at the time, even though they were cheaper to make and allowed for better graphics and higher sound quality in games.

installs are just the next step towards utilizing console hardware to it's fullest extent. limiting such powerful machines to the slow read speed of any disc based media is retarded. games are only getting more graphically demanding, and soon texture sizes will be so large that disc based media just won't cut it anymore; unless you like graphical pop up and textureless models and all of those other relics of the 32 bit era (and actually, some newer games do have these issues. gow comes to mind).

even though it'll take you a whole two minutes of your precious time, it's worth having better looking games with less loading screens (or being really optimistic here, none at all).

it's really not a big deal. if you think you know better than microsoft or sony then make your own console.

[Nut_Man]

uhh, yeah there is.

No there isnt. A fair comparison would be carts-discs and discs-downloads.

it's really not a big deal. if you think you know better than microsoft or sony then make your own console.

Lol ok. If thats the way the world worked then no one could criticize anything. If you think you can do better than Bush then just run for president, right?

[quashpdarkman]

retort

yet you still can't find a valid argument against installs.

[DeadMan]

Yay for us all with the 20gig??

[Digital*Firefly]

Yay for us all with the 20gig??

Optional install.

[LowVoltag3]

Optional install.

It seams like some people are seeing

MANDATORY INSTALLS MOTHER FUCKER OR ILL KILL YOU, YOU LITTLE BITCH!!!

instead of the,

Optional Installs.

[Violence in HD]

Install = better.
They shouldn't have made the 20 gig harddrive the norm. Ever. You saw how quickly they phased out the PS3's 20 gig option... but even that had FULL backwards compatibility.

[kennytee]

I think we should all recognize that "optional" install now likely means you will be out of luck in about 6 months (maybe for the next Halo or GTA expansion) or so if you only have a 20gig drive. Call me cynical, but I've always seen things like installs on a console as a way of developers being unwilling (or worse, maybe just plain lazy) to program more efficiently. Look, I'm not saying its easy to do this stuff, I'm just sayin'. Maybe its just one of these situations where the software development outpaced the system faster than expected, but I would have hoped that developers would have been able to coax more out of these systems with the way they were launched.

and no, I'm not really all that bothered about this. If I find the desire or need to get a bigger hard drive for my 360, I'll get one. I'm just stating how I look at the announcement.

[Lnin0]

patches, installs - yes! Now all we need is yearly hardware upgrades, spyware and porn. Wait....I already have that shit - its called a PC.

[Ezekiel]

I love it when a company adds something that's completely optional and you can ignore completely, and people act like it's the worst idea in the world because they don't want to use it.

[LowVoltag3]

I love it when a company adds something that's completely optional and you can ignore completely, and people act like it's the worst idea in the world because they don't want to use it.

I don't think it's that they don't want to use it. I think it's that they have a 20gb HD and they are pissed because they don't want to pay 150 for another HD. I really think that's the only problem.

[DeadMan]

Optional install.

Oh I know man, I do not have any intention on using it... nor do I care that it is possible

[Nut_Man]

yet you still can't find a valid argument against installs.

I actually didn't post here to do essay length, point by point arguments with you.

I don't like the installs and it imo it sets a bad precedent and im worried about what will happen in the future.

[LowVoltag3]

I actually didn't post here to do essay length, point by point arguments with you.

I don't like the installs and it imo it sets a bad precedent and im worried about what will happen in the future.

lol tinfoil hat anyone?

Whats the worst that could happen nutman? Faster loading times? God forbid that happen...

[bringBackPluto]

lol tinfoil hat anyone?

Whats the worst that could happen nutman? Faster loading times? God forbid that happen...

irony (ahy-ruh-nee) - . an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected

[Lord Moon]

Or all games become a mandatory install?

[LowVoltag3]

irony (ahy-ruh-nee) - . an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected

http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/you_win_the_prize.jpg

[Nut_Man]

lol tinfoil hat anyone?

Whats the worst that could happen nutman? Faster loading times? God forbid that happen...

Mandatory installs, games that run like crap without an 'optional' 5gb install.

[LowVoltag3]

Mandatory installs, games that run like crap without an 'optional' 5gb install.

M$ would never allow that. It would separate their market. Neither would publishers. Again, it separates the market. Not everyone has hard drives.

[quashpdarkman]

Mandatory installs, games that run like crap without an 'optional' 5gb install.

the former is not going to happen on the 360.

the latter might, but they wouldn't let them use any more space than an xbla download. microsoft is really picky like that.