CUSTOM CONTEST #1:One last round of advice P4 or AMD 64?

[agn]

I am putting together the components for a new PC. I am currently torn between a 3.2 gig athlon or 3.2 gig P4
I figure the rest is easy. It's just the processor and mother board i need to make a decision on.

Please help

[EmpyII]

Well I'm in the process of building a new PC to and I went with AMD. In the past I've only had intel but I'm kinda broke and I've heard good things about AMD. So I would say go with the Athlon 64 save some money to get another componenet you may need. From what I know the AMD chipset is faster now, at least until more people use the hyper threading technology of the P4's. But I'm guessing hyper threading wont be fully implemented for another few years, so I'd just save some money and go with what is better now. :-D

[agn]

whats the fastest Athlon cpu i can get and what motherboard should I buy? I will probably regret building this myself, but i can't wait a month for some of these custom building places. Grr..

[EmpyII]

Well firstly it's not that hard to build one heck if I can do it...well...you know the rest of that one. I heard a lot of good things from Newegg.com and I ended up getting my components from them (got here fast and undamaged).

Also how much are you looking to spend on the PC? The best of the best Processor chips are near $600-$700. I would recommend something in the high-mid range of CPU's that way you can save a lot of cash and then would just have to upgrade 1-1.5 years sooner. Its either that or spend double :). As for mobos I personally went with an Asus but I've heard great things about ABIT as well. Oh another thing to keep in mind when looking at AMD's (you prolly know this though) is that their CPU's appear to be slower than Pentiums. That's not true as Intel changed the way they calculate the GHz on their systems.

Well here's the stuff I'd recommend....(Damn I have too much free time)

CPU - AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-426&depa=1

MOBO - ABIT "KV8-MAX3" K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&DEPA=1

Well those are just suggestions just check out other options and match em up till you get something that looks like what you want and is in your pricerange. Memory is memory just be sure you pick up some dual channel. And hten the other stuff..., HD, CD/DVD drive, etc.

The last hard thing to choose will be a video card, most people are going with the new ATI 9800 pro (I think). It's supposed to be slightly better than Nvidias new card. However both cards supposedly have deals with game companies to have certain games run better on their cards. I think Doom3 will run better on a ATI. But you may wanna check on that as that was just a rumor.

Well hope this helped somewhat...and maybe with a new PC you'll see how PC games cant die :lol:

[agn]

That CPU is only 2.2, shouldn't I be looking at 3.0 minimum?

[BigEasyWhoDats]

yeah at least 3.0. I have a 3.06 P4 and i couldn't be happier

[EmpyII]

here's a good article that'll explain why the AMD is only 2.2 and an intel one shows as 3.2. It's pretty informative. http://www.overclockers.com/tips634/

also here is another (a bit older) article as well...http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-fx51_22.html

ok last one I swear...this is from PCWorld magazine so might have a lil more cred...http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112601,00.asp

[Ziggler]

Scot there's also www.pricewatch.com another great site for pc parts...

Oh and i suggest you go with Intel P4... as far as I know they've always been a step or 2 ahead of AMD and it's probably a wiser choice.

[MusicFan]

I am putting together the components for a new PC. I am currently torn between a 3.2 gig athlon or 3.2 gig P4
I figure the rest is easy. It's just the processor and mother board i need to make a decision on.

Please helpAMD, much faster.

[agn]

I just decided to go pentium, i don't know why. Sorry AMD.

Let's see who can come the closest to what I paid for this

ASUS P4P800 SE 865PE P4 Mboard (8X800D4ALGLW)
3.4 GHz 800MHz Intel Pentium 4 HT (512K)
Cooling Fan Socket 478
2x 1G PC3200 - 400MHz DDR Memory
WD 250GB SATA 7200rpm 8M
Black Floppy Disk Drive 1.44MB
No CD/DVD-ROM
LITEON Black 812S DVD±RW/±R Writer
Sound Blaster Audigy OEM
No Speakers
Scorpio Black 450W UL Front USB
WINDOWS XP HOME
Integrated 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet

I left a lot of stuff off, cause i have them here and will add them.

The person who comes the closest to the price WITHOUT going over, (sorry price is right fan) will be the first to receive a custom title here on the boards. :D

[MalikHalo]

Wild guess:

$2,359 Yep, right outta my head >_>

[MusicFan]

I just decided to go pentium, i don't know why. Sorry AMD.

Let's see who can come the closest to what I paid for this

ASUS P4P800 SE 865PE P4 Mboard (8X800D4ALGLW)
3.4 GHz 800MHz Intel Pentium 4 HT (512K)
Cooling Fan Socket 478
2x 1G PC3200 - 400MHz DDR Memory
WD 250GB SATA 7200rpm 8M
Black Floppy Disk Drive 1.44MB
No CD/DVD-ROM
LITEON Black 812S DVD±RW/±R Writer
Sound Blaster Audigy OEM
No Speakers
Scorpio Black 450W UL Front USB
WINDOWS XP HOME
Integrated 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet

I left a lot of stuff off, cause i have them here and will add them.

The person who comes the closest to the price WITHOUT going over, (sorry price is right fan) will be the first to receive a custom title here on the boards. :DCompletely Random:$4,654
Real Guess: $3,300
<----Will Lose

[Ziggler]

Scot what vid card did you get? :P

my guess 1,800

[Shady45]

my guess would be $2,000

[EmpyII]

Ok I'm gonna go with $1500. no whammy no whammy no whammy :-D

[BigEasyWhoDats]

ima say $1,000

[Goldeh]

$1,350

[Digital*Firefly]

my guess

$1201.00

[EmpyII]

my guess

$1201.00

ohh you just did the bitchmove :shock: $1201...you're that person every other contender wants to slap on the Price is right :lol:

[alldat]

sorry intel fans but it is a proven fact that the latetst amd 64 chip is the fastest on the market. and as far as 3.0 well u need to look at intels new marking formula, uhmm it looks alot like amd. i suggest a 939 pin mobo and a aamd64 3500 that will give u the edge u need in building your pc.

[EmpyII]

sorry intel fans but it is a proven fact that the latetst amd 64 chip is the fastest on the market. and as far as 3.0 well u need to look at intels new marking formula, uhmm it looks alot like amd. i suggest a 939 pin mobo and a aamd64 3500 that will give u the edge u need in building your pc.

Well actually that's right if you're talking about the basic retail chips. Intel's newest high performance chip the P4 3.2 hyperthreding extreme, beat out the AMD's FX-51. That's according an article in PCworld.

ack ok by typing this my nerd factor just went up ahhh :shock:

[alldat]

actualy it won a few benchmarks ,but when it came to games the amd won by a landslide

[Sub-Z]

$1420 :D

[EmpyII]

actualy it won a few benchmarks ,but when it came to games the amd won by a landslide

ahh ok :) Well in any case if you're buying either high end chip you'll be set :) I mean it's not like your PC won't be able to run any of the games coming out soon :o

[arefx]

Scot what vid card did you get? :P

my guess 1,800

perhaps a geforce 6800?? ..... man I would die for one! ;)

[Octocamo]

My guess is.... $1351

heh.

[Kahmelion]

$1,400.

*keeps fingers crossed*

~Kahmelion

[agn]

you're all OVAH. Bzzt. Anyone else?

[Goldeh]

omg, Matrix i cant believe you Price is Right'ed me, biotch.

[Sub-Z]

ONE DOLLAR!! :D

[EmpyII]

Free! Cause Scot Rubin is a celeb and they never need to pay for a dang thang :D That...or he just swiped one the last day he was at G4TechTV :lol:

[Digital*Firefly]

$700.00

[Ziggler]

so we get another guess?

I'm guessin...

$925

[Octocamo]

omg, Matrix i cant believe you Price is Right'ed me, biotch. :-D


$1425 Then...

[Reffy]

I just decided to go pentium, i don't know why. Sorry AMD.

Let's see who can come the closest to what I paid for this

ASUS P4P800 SE 865PE P4 Mboard (8X800D4ALGLW)
3.4 GHz 800MHz Intel Pentium 4 HT (512K)
Cooling Fan Socket 478
2x 1G PC3200 - 400MHz DDR Memory
WD 250GB SATA 7200rpm 8M
Black Floppy Disk Drive 1.44MB
No CD/DVD-ROM
LITEON Black 812S DVD±RW/±R Writer
Sound Blaster Audigy OEM
No Speakers
Scorpio Black 450W UL Front USB
WINDOWS XP HOME
Integrated 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet

I left a lot of stuff off, cause i have them here and will add them.

The person who comes the closest to the price WITHOUT going over, (sorry price is right fan) will be the first to receive a custom title here on the boards. :D

Cant guess, where is the video card?
If it's onboard I suggest you bring it back NOW

[Reffy]

Wow double post
But I guess I'll make this into a guess.
800

[Kahmelion]

I'll say

$500 then.

~Kahmelion

[AcquiredTarget]

I'll say $1,350

-AT

[Halo Master Chief]

Pentium's are known to stay a lot cooler than AMD's so they don't overheat that much.

[Reffy]

Pentium's are known to stay a lot cooler than AMD's so they don't overheat that much.

Other way around :)

[Goldeh]

$567

[Twinsen]

$685

[Shady45]

$613

[DeadMan]

Hmm, hard to gauge the price since you said alot was missing. Plus are we guessing with tax included?
Anyway, my guess-
$1465.94

EDIT: What! We are all over? You probably got it discounted :( The parts you put down are well over $1000 retail.

[Auf_Der_Maur6]

My guess is $1100.

[Gene Starwind]

$1!

Gotta love Price is Right. :D

[Twinsen]

$1!

Gotta love Price is Right. :D

Someone already said that. And actually, who cares about his anymore, we all got customs. This contest BLOWS!!!! :D

[Gene Starwind]

Someone already said that. And actually, who cares about his anymore, we all got customs. This contest BLOWS!!!! :D
Yeah...

$2!
Woo!
:p

[DeadMan]

Someone already said that. And actually, who cares about his anymore, we all got customs. This contest BLOWS!!!! :D

Maybe that was the whole point of the contest, no one could win!

[Duality]

Cant guess, where is the video card?
If it's onboard I suggest you bring it back NOW That's not really fair. nForce2 onboard sound is just fine and not susceptible to the issues that cheap Crystal sound chipsets of old suffered from.

I'm surprised that you got this rig for under $1k, Scot. I didn't know you associated with people who sold wares out of the back of their truck!

[Reffy]

I didn't say onboard sound. I use onboard sound, and I just so happen to have an nForce chipset. But I would never use onboard Gfx.

[Duality]

Ahh, you're correct. I don't actually read anything.

[Ziggler]

Even though it doesn't matter now i still want to know how much you payed!!

[agn]

I had to change it, for the F of it, here is the updated specs.

AS-P4C800-DLX ASUS P4C800 875P P4 Mboard (8X800DD4AUFGLR) 1
3.2-P4-800-1M 3.2 GHz 800MHz Intel Pentium 4 HT (1M) 1
CPUFAN-478 Cooling Fan Socket 478 1
1024-PC3200 1Gb PC3200 - 400MHz DDR Memory 2
250MX-SATA-72-8 Maxtor 250G 7200 SATA150 8M 1
Z0-FDD ========== No FDD 1
MISSED 1
Z0-KM No KEYBOARD 1
Z0-MK No MOUSE 1
Z0-DV No CD/DVD-ROM 1
ONBOARD-SU1 Integrated Digital Audio 1
Z0-SP No Speakers 1
IW-S710BK In-Win Black S710 E-ATX Tower Case 430W 1
XP-PRO-CD Windows XP Professional CD ver. 1
ONBOARD-LAN Integrated 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet 1

[InnerLogic]

After looking at these new specs, I don't think windows XP pro would be a good pick for a OS, because there is no point in getting it unless you want Remote Desktop, and a few other odds and ends that are not really needed by a normal user. I remember seeing a chart somewhere on microsofts site with the difference between the two, i'll have to find it.

i'm also not a fan of onboard audio, if you can, go with a creative Sound blaster audigy 2.

no you have "No speakers" on there, i'm guessing you are going to get Speakers, or just use headphones. For speakers, I have heard that the Logitech z-2200 is a great set.

[DeadMan]

That config is around $1000, probably a little less, depending on where you got it from.

[agn]

The XP pro is for the 2 GIGS of memory, I dont think home supports that much. Also it's 3.2 with 1 meg cache, I have a soud blaster already, speakers already, DVD burner already, so i didn't need them again.

[Ichiban]

agn, if you do get XP pro, try to find the NSA's guide to securing XP. It is a good way to learn about a lot of the features that Windows XP has.

[agn]

<click> roger that

[DeadMan]

That can be found here- http://nsa2.www.conxion.com/. It is long, but good stuff. I would have uploaded it but the limit is only 32KB :|

[agn]

total was 1424, i priced it part by part with newegg and it's very close. This way they built it tested it and guaranteed it for a year.
The best part is that it's here and it's fast. I didn't realize the x800 was the new ATI card. I was going to get a 9800 256 meg, but why spend the money on it, if the new one is coming soon for around the same price.

[DarthEvilDude]

i got the x800 pro, and it is really kickass. i havent tested it with Doom 3 yet, but i'm sure its gonna be a playable framerate. its totally worth the $400 dollars.