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GBPackersfan
11-10-2004, 05:05 PM
Randy Johnson got screwed out of the NL Cy Young, despite being a hell of a lot better than Roger Clemens. Let's take a look at some stats:

ERA

Johnson: 2.60
Clemens: 2.98

WHIP

Johnson: .90
Clemens: 1.16

AVG
Johnson: .197
Clemens: .217

SO

Johnson: 290
Clemens: 218

K/9

Johnson: 10.62
Clemens: 9.15

The only stat that the Voters look at, though, is wins, which are vastly overrated when comparing individuals.

All-Night John
11-10-2004, 07:33 PM
You forgot a few:

GAMES STARTED
Randy Johnson: 35
Roger Clemens: 33

INNINGS PITCHED
Randy Johnson: 245.7
Roger Clemens: 214.3

COMPLETE GAMES
Randy Johnson: 4
Roger Clemens: 0

SHUTOUTS
Randy Johnson: 2
Roger Clemens: 0

HITS ALLOWED/9 IP
Randy Johnson: 6.48
Roger Clemens: 7.10

BB
Randy Johnson: 44
Roger Clemens: 79

BB/9
Randy Johnson: 1.61
Roger Clemens: 3.32

K/BB
Randy Johnson: 6.59
Roger Clemens: 2.76

ADJUSTED ERA+
Randy Johnson: 171
Roger Clemens: 145

WIN SHARES
Randy Johnson: 25 (26.9 pitching win shares)
Roger Clemens: 20 (21.3 pitching win shares)

OPPONENTS ON-BASE PERCENTAGE
Randy Johnson: .241
Roger Clemens: .292

OPPONENTS SLUGGING PERCENTAGE
Randy Johnson: .315
Roger Clemens: .329


It's a terrible pick. I can't believe Jeter and Boone won Gold Gloves, either. That award's a joke.

Burr
11-10-2004, 08:10 PM
Crawford should have won a Gold Glove..

All-Night John
11-10-2004, 09:20 PM
Mark Kotsay and Johnny Damon should have won the award along with Suzuki, per Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3600).

Arandar
11-11-2004, 01:01 AM
Well the same thing happened a few years ago to Pedro and Lowe. It was the first year Lowe was a starting pitcher for the Sox and he did AWSOME. he had like 20 or 21 wins, with pedro having the same or 1 more, I forget exactly. Then Zito from Oakland had ONE more win then Pedro yet Pedro literally DOMINATED in all the other catagories and yet Zito wins the Cy Young. That pisses me off because he definatly didn't deserve it just because he had one more win. Although most people probably don't know about the other stats, they only see the wins. It sucks but theres not much to be done about it really.