Don't like that the square button is less responsive on the PSP?

[Tom the First]

Well, I guess you're just going to have to "adapt to it," because Sony doesn't care about what is best for the customer apparently. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/01/24/news_6116985.html)

[Octocamo]

Who uses the square button anyways? Am I right? ;)

[Tom the First]

Who uses the square button anyways? Am I right? ;)
4,800 people apprently did.

[alexsan]

Who uses the square button anyways? Am I right? ;)
now that you mention it, I rarely use the square button. Seriously (that seems to be the word of the day for me :/)

[Octocamo]

now that you mention it, I rarely use the square button.
Yeah, Usually Square is for something shitty or to go in reverse in a car. (Who would do that if you're good at racing games. ;))

But yeah..it sucks that it gets stuck, but my controllers do that shit on the shoulder buttons and sometimes the O button. I deal with it.

[MusicFan]

Well, I guess you're just going to have to "adapt to it," because Sony doesn't care about what is best for the customer apparently. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/01/24/news_6116985.html)I doubt anyone is going to want to know their further plans for the system down the line, they are not what is best for the customer.

[alexsan]

Yeah, Usually Square is for something shitty or to go in reverse in a car. (Who would do that if you're good at racing games. ;))

But yeah..it sucks that it gets stuck, but my controllers do that shit on the shoulder buttons and sometimes the O button. I deal with it.
one of my controlers L2 button gets stuck

[Tenchi]

I hated the Nyco Airflow PS2 controller. The X button always got stuck, actually, ALL the buttons stuck. Errr...

[Octocamo]

I hated the Nyco Airflow PS2 controller. The X button always got stuck, actually, ALL the buttons stuck. Errr...
I have the Airflow XL, and nothing has gone wrong with it. (Except the paint from the X is half gone cause I use the X button too often. ;))

[gk128]

That is typical Sony quality for you.

They always could offset the buttons a millimeter or two to the right. Even if they have to add to the length of the system it would be worth it to have properly working buttons.

Sony is in it for the $$$ not the games. Why spend money tofix a problem when everyone will eat it up flawed?

Fuck you Sony.

[Frequency]

Dynasty Warriors is a launch title, and the square button is less responsive!?

(Square is basically the only button you press in those games)

[alexsan]

http://www.snafu-comics.com/?strip_id=169
A comic about the PSP thing

[Captain N]

Yeah and the DS dosen't fit comfortably in my hands and my thumbs always cramp.

[gk128]

This is a bad move on Sony's part. It shows they don't care to release a quality product. They'd rather release a flawed prodect and tell the public to like it.

Like morons they will.

Anyone who gets a PSP and thinks the square problem is alright because Sony said so is a moron. They'd have been better off flushing the $250 down the toilet.

[Captain N]

My god you people are so quick to leap down the competitions throat. Sheesh you're denouncing a product due to an unresponsive button that you haven't even tried for yourself?

Guys it's time to get your head out of your asses.

[Blackwolf]

I shouldn't have to drive a Ford Explorer to bash Ford for having SUV's that roll over way too easily.

I shouldn't have to play a PSP to bash Sony for having a reported and acknowledged unresponsive button.

Granted, those are two extremes (a non-working button is nowhere near a safety issue) but the underlying concept is the same. If it's reported and acknowledged by the manufacturer, then I shouldn't have to "try it for myself" to have an opinion on it.

[Captain N]

Of course you should have to try it out. It's not like the button dosen't work at all, it could be just a little issue that people are trying to blow out of proportion.

[gk128]

Well why can't sont fix the problem by adding one centermeter or the overall length? It's not that huge a change. It could go into production witin a month once they draft it all up. Infact a change that small wouldn't require any reworking of the rest of the system at all.

The problem is not that the button is defective. The problem is that Sony refuses to do anything about it. Especially when no internal reworking would be required other than moving all four buttons over a centermeter at the most.

[Octocamo]

gk128, They would have to change all the systems...they would lose a lot of money.

That's why.

I agree with Captain N.

[Burr]

Or they could have just designed it properly in the first place. Seems like an elementary thing not to fuck up. I mean jeez, even cheap imitation Hong Kong made handhelds don't fuck up the buttons like that.

[gk128]

gk128, They would have to change all the systems...they would lose a lot of money.

That's why.

I agree with Captain N.

I am a drafter myself. Sure I'm still in school for it, and I'm not to educated on how something such as the PSP would be done, but I'm pretty certin that this small change will affect very little.

They wouldn't have to replace existing models. Only start replacing the flawed with the fixed on the production line.

The fact of the matter is as Burr said it sould have been right the first time around.

[Captain N]

Honestly I don't think a major company would do something so stupid as to release a defective handheld, especially when they know full well what they're up against.

I'm telling you the button is no big deal nor is the size. The DS is too small for me but guess what? I got over it. My R1 button on my Nyko Airflo controller responds a little slow but guess what? I got over it. These are LITTLE problems that people are trying to blow up simply because they're Nintendo Zealots.

Some people will be picky with the PSP and want everything to work perfect and others won't really mind because the square button might be a little slow but does it not work all together? Of course it works. You read the article, the guy would've had to make the screen smaller or the PSP bigger. What would you people do in that case?

PSP IS BIG BLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah.

[gk128]

The fact of the matter is that if it was Sony or Nintendo or anyone if I am going to spend $250 on something I want it to work right.

I don't want an official release from the company saying "There is a flaw in our product, but your just going to have to live with it."

Not only does that reflect badly on the product, but also the company.

Suppose you just bought a new keyboard, but each time you typed a letter it typed it twice. Sure you could deal with it, but you want something that works right the first time, right?

If they have to make the screen smaller or extend the size to make a part work properly then they should. There is no reason for a $250 piece of electronis by a anme brand like Sony to have a flaw.

Anyone who thinks this move is OK is nothing but a fanboy. If anyone pulled this shit I'd be outraged. This time it just happens to be, surprise, Sony.

[Octocamo]

Sure I'm still in school for it.
Guess you didn't go to grammar/spelling class, kk.

Captain N is no fanboy, but he speaks the truth.

I may be somewhat of a fanboy, because I think the design/concept of the DS is a piece of shit.

I'll be buying a PSP (this summer) and I'm definitely telling you now, it's not going to be a waste of money.

[Captain N]

The fact of the matter is that if it was Sony or Nintendo or anyone if I am going to spend $250 on something I want it to work right.

It does work right.

I don't want an official release from the company saying "There is a flaw in our product, but your just going to have to live with it."

No no, because a button is a little flawed let us go back to the drawing board wasting millions to rebuild each system with the problem fixed. That makes sense.

Not only does that reflect badly on the product, but also the company.

But of course marketing two seperate handhelds that each do the same thing dosen't make a company look bad at all.

Suppose you just bought a new keyboard, but each time you typed a letter it typed it twice. Sure you could deal with it, but you want something that works right the first time, right?

Here's the thing! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES

YOU haven't PLAYED the PSP champ! You don't know what pressing square does! For all you know it could be just a little hiccup and you have to press a wee bit harder. STOP COMPLAINING UNTIL YOU GET A PSP ACE


If they have to make the screen smaller or extend the size to make a part work properly then they should. There is no reason for a $250 piece of electronis by a anme brand like Sony to have a flaw.

Dear god you just rolled in from stupid town.

They can't just "make the screen smaller"

Dude they'd have to rebuild the ENTIRE system all over again and make us wait EVEN longer for it.

Anyone who thinks this move is OK is nothing but a fanboy. If anyone pulled this shit I'd be outraged. This time it just happens to be, surprise, Sony.

lol ok

[Tom the First]

The least Sony could have done is apologize for any inconveniences, and not say "Fuck off and deal with it faggots." Sony seemed to respond in a horribly arrogant and stubborn way. In the game industry there must be respect for the customers, and Sony doesn't seem to spare any for their unhappy PSP customers.

[Octocamo]

There may be people that complain about its usability, but that's something which users and game software developers will have to adapt to. I didn't want the PSP's LCD screen to become any smaller than this, nor did I want its machine body to become any larger. /= "Fuck off and deal with it faggots."

kk.

[Tom the First]

There may be people that complain about its usability, but that's something which users and game software developers will have to adapt to. I didn't want the PSP's LCD screen to become any smaller than this, nor did I want its machine body to become any larger. /= "Fuck off and deal with it faggots."

kk.
I was basically saying that Sony was being completely inconsiderate of their unhappy customers, and didn't even bother to apologize. They lack respect for some of their customers.

[gk128]

It does work right.



No no, because a button is a little flawed let us go back to the drawing board wasting millions to rebuild each system with the problem fixed. That makes sense.

With a company like Sony this should not have even been an issue.

Here's the thing! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES

YOU haven't PLAYED the PSP champ! You don't know what pressing square does! For all you know it could be just a little hiccup and you have to press a wee bit harder. STOP COMPLAINING UNTIL YOU GET A PSP ACE

You are right, I have not played a PSP. The problem may not be that big a deal. The problem however is the way Sony is dealing with it. Not the fact that there is one.

Dear god you just rolled in from stupid town.

They can't just "make the screen smaller"

Dude they'd have to rebuild the ENTIRE system all over again and make us wait EVEN longer for it.

Yes, someone with a technical drafting backround just rolled in from stupid town when making a suggestion to fix such a simple problem.

In all my pervious posts I have stated they should extend the body by one centermeter. That would be the most painless route. They don't have to delay anything. Keep releasing the defective models for now. When the revised version is finished start releasing it insted. It's not that foregn a concept.

If Nintendo pulled this I'd be saying the same exact things. This is bad business. Sony knows they can get away with it though so why try and stop them?

Guess you didn't go to grammar/spelling class, kk.

Well excuse me for forgetting that comma and spelling only 90% correct.

Myby I wiL stat p05t1nG lik thes!

[Tom the First]

I think some people are seeing this as another opportunity for people to bash PSP. It is not! I am just outraged at how Sony handled this situation. They handled it very disrespectfully, and displayed horrible customer service. I don't care if they fix the problem. Persoanlly, if I was a PSP owner, it might not have bothered me as much, because I am accustomed to using controllers that might not work as efficiently. The point is that they could have easily said "We're sorry for any inconveniences that we might have caused," instead of acting extremely stubborn and close-minded.

[Captain N]

What would you want them to say? Fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness?

Honestly if they acted like it was some big screw up and apologized and was sympathetic about it, you people would jump down their throats for that.

[Frequency]

What would you want them to say? Fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness?

Honestly if they acted like it was some big screw up and apologized and was sympathetic about it, you people would jump down their throats for that.

Like it or not, this is the plain truth. Admitting you've fucked up is not good for business, no matter what you or I or anyone else here thinks.

I really don't see the big deal here, did anyone read the entire article? Only .6% of PSPs sold have been returned for repair. So I don't understand how buying a PSP makes you retarded. That's just plain fucking ignorant to say. Period.

[Blackwolf]

No no, because a button is a little flawed let us go back to the drawing board wasting millions to rebuild each system with the problem fixed. That makes sense.

Actually, if I'm supposed to be paying $250 for something in a market where the typical price for a machine is $150, yes, this DOES make sense.

This is kind of like an arcade that I went to last year. One of their arcade machines (F-Zero AX, actually) was taking way too many tokens because they had it on free play the night before (lockin) and when they put it back on paid time they had it take 4 credits of 4 tokens each, rather than 4 credits of 1 token each.

The people at the desk knew about it, and watched me as I put in 4 tokens and only get 1 credit for it. I went up, and they were like "Yeah, the guy set it up wrong. Deal with it."

"Uh, how about refunding my tokens?"

"We can't refund your tokens. We're not allowed."

"Well why isn't there a sign saying it's broken since you knew about it?"

"Because it's NOT broken. You can still play it for 16 tokens. Deal with it."

Then, later on, on a message board (drama abound because these people got fired) they were like "What did you expect us to do, jump up RIGHT THEN AND THERE when you told us there was a problem and put an OUT OF ORDER sign on the cabinet? You're crazy!"

You are basically telling me that I should spend $100 more than the average price of a new entry into the handheld market for something that has an admitted flaw that the company absolutely refuses to fix. And you're telling me if I DON'T spend that money to get a PSP because I dislike buying flawed products (I don't have Airflow's or any other controllers that stick, either) then I am a fanboy, then I guess you can call me a fanboy because of my spending habits.

I have a PSP on pre-order. I may cancel it, because I don't want to spend $250 on buggy hardware that the company absolutely refuses to fix. I have better things to spend my $250 on. Like PS2 games.

[gk128]

I am in no way basing the PSP. I had and still have an interest in getting one down the road.

The fact is that for $250 it should work perfectly. Especially coming from a company like Sony.

The fact that they are going to do nothing about it is the outrage. Hell they don't have to jump on fixing it right this second, but a year from now it'd be nice to see fully working PSPs.

Sony's showing of how much they care about their consumers shows you are nothing but a dollar figure to them.

[Shuin]

Well, I would've just liked to have them reposition the square button so this problem doesn't happen.

Yeah I know there's the whole "but wtfwere gonna have to change all this stuff meaning more work for us :smt022 :smt022 " but come on, if this many people are complaining about it, then that must be some kind of sign to fix the problem.

[Octocamo]

They'll make a new slimmer/smaller PSP that's actually portable for you complainers...

[Lord Moon]

Funny nobody seems to want to acknowledge the DS design flaw, but you all want to crucify Sony for a button.

[Captain N]

Funny nobody seems to want to acknowledge the DS design flaw, but you all want to crucify Sony for a button.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[alexsan]

Funny nobody seems to want to acknowledge the DS design flaw, but you all want to crucify Sony for a button.
square button 4 life!

[gk128]

Funny nobody seems to want to acknowledge the DS design flaw, but you all want to crucify Sony for a button.

Please point this flaw out.

Also note that small buttons are not a design flaw. Faulty buttons are.

[Shuin]

Funny nobody seems to want to acknowledge the DS design flaw, but you all want to crucify Sony for a button.
Funny this thread isn't about the DS.

:smt019

[Octocamo]

Funny this thread isn't about the DS.


Funny that most people compared the pricing, etc. in this thread to the DS. :smt023

[Tom the First]

Funny nobody seems to want to acknowledge the DS design flaw, but you all want to crucify Sony for a button.
I haven't had many problems with the DS at all. My hands may cramp up if I play endless hours of DS, but doesn't happen too often.

[Shuin]

Funny that most people compared the pricing, etc. in this thread to the DS. :smt023
Captain N started it ok.

[Lord Moon]

I forsee in roughly 1 - 2 years most people, especially those that play their DS a lot, will be complaining about dead spots on their touch screen. I have a Palm PDA that I had loaded games onto & it has dead spots from it. Touch sceen, nice idea, but I don't think it will hold up to the rigors gamers will put it through.

[Captain N]

Captain N started it ok.

I started it because everyone keeps saying "Well I would be complaining if ANY company made a flaw and didn't apologize for it"

I don't see Nintendo apologizing or fixing the fact that the DS is too small and that it freezes with many GBA games. And, omg, wouldn't ya know it? No one is complaining.

[gk128]

I started it because everyone keeps saying "Well I would be complaining if ANY company made a flaw and didn't apologize for it"

I don't see Nintendo apologizing or fixing the fact that the DS is too small and that it freezes with many GBA games. And, omg, wouldn't ya know it? No one is complaining.

#1: Size is relevant to the user. What is too small for you may be just right for someone else.

#2: As Sony demonstrated on the PS2, backwards compatibility is not perfect. Not Nintendo's fault at all. ROMS and EMUs can show you that just because the same game is being ran under a more powerful system it can still have problems.

Your arguments have been 0wn3d.

The dead pixel issue is an interesting one. That however is not directly Nintendo's fault either, but it will be interesting to see how they handle it.

[Blackwolf]

I forsee in roughly 1 - 2 years most people, especially those that play their DS a lot, will be complaining about dead spots on their touch screen. I have a Palm PDA that I had loaded games onto & it has dead spots from it. Touch sceen, nice idea, but I don't think it will hold up to the rigors
gamers will put it through.

I have no dead pixels on my DS, and Nintendo has stated that they will replace DS's that have at least three dead pixels on it.

Sony won't replace their unresponsive square button.

Besides, the PSP is also an LCD screen, which means it also has the chance to get dead pixels, just like the DS. I'm not complaining about that.

And I don't find the DS small, I find it big, actually. That's not a functionality flaw, that's a personalized stylistic flaw. I don't like big trucks, but that doesn't mean that Ford should apologize for making the F-150. I just won't buy an F-150.

[Tom the First]

I started it because everyone keeps saying "Well I would be complaining if ANY company made a flaw and didn't apologize for it"

I don't see Nintendo apologizing or fixing the fact that the DS is too small and that it freezes with many GBA games. And, omg, wouldn't ya know it? No one is complaining.
Not everyone finds the same problem as a horrible inconvenience. Not everyone will flip out, because of a stupid button not responding as much. I find no problems with the DS. It works fine for me, and it gets the job done. That is my personal opinion. From my observations, there hasn't been a major outcry, because of the possible problems that the DS has. Perhaps it isn't as big a deal. Now stop with the fucking "DS vs. PSP" attitude, and stay to the fucking topic.

[Octocamo]

I have no dead pixels on my DS, and Nintendo has stated that they will replace DS's that have at least three dead pixels on it.

It's only been like what, 4 months? Lord Moon said 1 to 2 years. Plus it will probably be a bitch to get a replaced one like any company is to get a system fixed/repaired. So you'll probably have to buy a new one.

On the size, I think DS is a pretty good size/weight. But I haven't played one for the lengthy of time. I don't know about the PSP because I've never tested it, heh.


As Sony demonstrated on the PS2, backwards compatibility is not perfect. Not Nintendo's fault at all. ROMS and EMUs can show you that just because the same game is being ran under a more powerful system it can still have problems.
What, the PS2 won't play 5 shitty PS1 games?

What does this have to do with ROMS and EMU's? They don't always work perfectly because they are being run on a machine that's not supposed to run them. GBA game carts definitely aren't ROMS for the DS...

[Lord Moon]

The dead pixel issue is an interesting one. That however is not directly Nintendo's fault either, but it will be interesting to see how they handle it.

No, no, I'm not talking dead pixel's, I'm talking dead spots. Dead spots where the touch screen does not work anymore. PDA's, unless you use a screen protector, develop dead spots where the stylus is used the most. This is what I see happening to the DS in about a year or so, especially for hardcore gamers who play their DS alot.

[gk128]

What, the PS2 won't play 5 shitty PS1 games?

What does this have to do with ROMS and EMU's? They don't always work perfectly because they are being run on a machine that's not supposed to run them. GBA game carts definitely aren't ROMS for the DS...

Check the bold. The same applys to the DS. It is only emulating the GBA such as the PS2 emulates the PSX, and emulators on a PC emulate the system they are supposed to.

It's never perfect no matter what the application.

[Captain N]

#1: Size is relevant to the user. What is too small for you may be just right for someone else.

#2: As Sony demonstrated on the PS2, backwards compatibility is not perfect. Not Nintendo's fault at all. ROMS and EMUs can show you that just because the same game is being ran under a more powerful system it can still have problems.

Your arguments have been 0wn3d.

The dead pixel issue is an interesting one. That however is not directly Nintendo's fault either, but it will be interesting to see how they handle it.

lmao I love how you say this

#2: As Sony demonstrated on the PS2, backwards compatibility is not perfect. Not Nintendo's fault at all. ROMS and EMUs can show you that just because the same game is being ran under a more powerful system it can still have problems.

But just before you say this

The fact of the matter is that if it was Sony or Nintendo or anyone if I am going to spend $250 on something I want it to work right.

My arguments owned? You're gonna have to swing a little harder next time Sosa.

Not everyone finds the same problem as a horrible inconvenience. Not everyone will flip out, because of a stupid button not responding as much. I find no problems with the DS. It works fine for me, and it gets the job done. That is my personal opinion. From my observations, there hasn't been a major outcry, because of the possible problems that the DS has. Perhaps it isn't as big a deal. Now stop with the fucking "DS vs. PSP" attitude, and stay to the fucking topic.

Ahh so you're saying it's not a big deal. I find this funny as just a few pages ago you were spouting off with

The least Sony could have done is apologize for any inconveniences, and not say "Fuck off and deal with it faggots." Sony seemed to respond in a horribly arrogant and stubborn way. In the game industry there must be respect for the customers, and Sony doesn't seem to spare any for their unhappy PSP customers.

Honestly guys if you're going to argue stick to your guns, sheesh.

[gk128]

Captain N,

Emulation isn't perfect making the GBA issues on the DS not Nintendo's fault.

Poorly designed button placment on the PSP IS Sony's fault.

Are you working for Sony, bucause they sure seem to have a hold over you.

[Tom the First]

lmao I love how you say this



But just before you say this



My arguments owned? You're gonna have to swing a little harder next time Sosa.



Ahh so you're saying it's not a big deal. I find this funny as just a few pages ago you were spouting off with



Honestly guys if you're going to argue stick to your guns, sheesh.
Through the progression of my posts, I am slowly formulating a conclusion on what should this topic should really be focusing on. I have reached my conclusion, and I have decided that the focus should be Sony's sucky customer service. The button is no longer a major factor in this topic (at least for me).

[Octocamo]

the PS2 emulates the PSX


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[gk128]

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May I ask what the "...." is for?

If you are refering to me calling the PSOne, PSX, then I must tell you that was a correct saying at one time. That is before Sony offically labeled it the PSOne and gave PSX to that flop of a box that was never released here.

[Octocamo]

No.

The PS2 doesn't emulate PS1.

And another thing, It's pretty funny that the PC emulates GBA games a lot better than DS "plays" them.

[gk128]

No.

The PS2 doesn't emulate PS1.

And another thing, It's pretty funny that the PC emulates GBA games a lot better than DS "plays" them.

The PS2 does emulate the PS1. It does use a special chip, but technically it is emulation. The same thing happens on the DS.

You try and run a program on hardware it was not made for, and there will always be problems.

The PC does do a great job emulating basically any GBA game, but that is mostly due to the fact that all the kinks have been fixed through new emulator releases over the years. The emulation in hardware like PS2 and DS hasn't changed since day one.

[Captain N]

Captain N,

Emulation isn't perfect making the GBA issues on the DS not Nintendo's fault.

Poorly designed button placment on the PSP IS Sony's fault.

Are you working for Sony, bucause they sure seem to have a hold over you.

How isn't it their fault? They put out a product that can do something and if i'm spending 150$ on something I want it to work right. Right?

[gk128]

How isn't it their fault? They put out a product that can do something and if i'm spending 150$ on something I want it to work right. Right?

You are grasping for straws.

As has been pointed out, emulation will never work perfectly. Espically when it's built into the hardware, and there would be no way to update for known flaws.

The DS is not a GBA. The ability to play GBA games is a gimmick.

All GBA games play almost perfectly if I'm not mistaken. The problems arise when it comes to sleep mode.

Once again stop grasping for straws.

[Captain N]

You are grasping for straws.

As has been pointed out, emulation will never work perfectly. Espically when it's built into the hardware, and there would be no way to update for known flaws.

The DS is not a GBA. The ability to play GBA games is a gimmick.

All GBA games play almost perfectly if I'm not mistaken. The problems arise when it comes to sleep mode.

Once again stop grasping for straws.

Lmao i'm not grasping for straws. I'm pointing out your shitty logic.

[gk128]

Lmao i'm not grasping for straws. I'm pointing out your shitty logic.

Imperfect emulation, which by the way is also on the PS2, is not something easily avoided especially when it's in the hardware. Nintendo could improve the emulation now knowing the problems, but seeing as the problem is basically with sleep mode there may not be anything that can be done. Which is a pretty small deal seeing as you can play your games problem free. You just can't shut your DS with a game running. Who does that anyway?

A faulty square button Sony knew about, but said "Fuck This We'll Make Millions Anyway", could have been easily avoided, and even can be fixed in the future.

Stop making this about the DS. It has it's problems, but at least Nintendo isn't telling us to fuck off and like it.

[Game_Bored]

I imported a PSP a few months ago and haven't really noticed any major difference at all with the square button, and it's never stuck. The responsiveness might be a little off, but like I said, its never been a problem. Over at gamestop they ran an article about how the editors hadn't had any problems with theirs too. Some people love to jump on the bash wagon though. I've heard people put it down for some having dead pixels. Well, guess what? Nearly all LCDs suffer from that, its not Sonys fault. The DS has the same problems, its unavoidable (especially when you're trying to keep costs low)

[Captain N]

Imperfect emulation, which by the way is also on the PS2, is not something easily avoided especially when it's in the hardware. Nintendo could improve the emulation now knowing the problems, but seeing as the problem is basically with sleep mode there may not be anything that can be done. Which is a pretty small deal seeing as you can play your games problem free. You just can't shut your DS with a game running. Who does that anyway?

A faulty square button Sony knew about, but said "Fuck This We'll Make Millions Anyway", could have been easily avoided, and even can be fixed in the future.

Stop making this about the DS. It has it's problems, but at least Nintendo isn't telling us to fuck off and like it.

Wait wait wait, let's make one thing clear here. YOU'RE the one bitching about how when you buy something you want it to work perfectly. That's YOU'RE logic not mine. So when I bring up something that has a flaw and I haven't seen you complain about it, it makes you seem a little bias no? That's why you have shitty logic.

We've been over this again and again as to why Sony has yet to apologize for their button. I've given you TWO reasons that still stand and you've given me none for why they should apologize other then "A small percent of the buyers had a problem! THEY SHOULD SAY SORRY AND RUIN THEIR REPUTATION OK"

Edit: And even the whole "They could've easily fixed it" thing is bullshit. Did you not read the article? They would've had to make the screen smaller or the PSP bigger. BOTH things that people would be MUCH more inclined to bitch about. I mean christ look how the majority of you people all ready ARE whining about the PSP based on rumours alone.

[gk128]

Wait wait wait, let's make one thing clear here. YOU'RE the one bitching about how when you buy something you want it to work perfectly. That's YOU'RE logic not mine. So when I bring up something that has a flaw and I haven't seen you complain about it, it makes you seem a little bias no? That's why you have shitty logic.

We've been over this again and again as to why Sony has yet to apologize for their button. I've given you TWO reasons that still stand and you've given me none for why they should apologize other then "A small percent of the buyers had a problem! THEY SHOULD SAY SORRY AND RUIN THEIR REPUTATION OK"

Edit: And even the whole "They could've easily fixed it" thing is bullshit. Did you not read the article? They would've had to make the screen smaller or the PSP bigger. BOTH things that people would be MUCH more inclined to bitch about. I mean christ look how the majority of you people all ready ARE whining about the PSP based on rumours alone.

#1: Button placement could have been fixed. Minor problems with Emulation could not have been foreseen until the final product.

#2: Sony apologizing fir the problem wouldn't ruin their reputation at all. In fact it'd probley help them in the long run. You think "Fuck off, and like it" didn't hurt their reputation?

#3: If the PSP became a centermeter wider to work properly it is worth it.

#4: Stop being such a fan boy

[Octocamo]

#1: Button placement could have been fixed. Minor problems with Emulation could not have been foreseen until the final product.

#2: Sony apologizing fir the problem wouldn't ruin their reputation at all. In fact it'd probley help them in the long run. You think "Fuck off, and like it" didn't hurt their reputation?

#3: If the PSP became a centermeter wider to work properly it is worth it.

#4: Stop being such a fan boy
The Matrix Lol's @ these comments.

Yes, Buttone placement could have been fixed. This so called "Emulation" probably could have been fixed too. They could have had the testers give better feedback and they would have told the problems.

It's only a small number of people complaining, Why should they apologize for that group? You think Microsoft would apologize for some of their products were fucked up a little bit? No.

If the PSP was even made 1 centermeter wider, that would probably have to change the whole motherboard, etc. This means lots of lossed money.

Fanboy? Wow......

[Captain N]

#1: Button placement could have been fixed. Minor problems with Emulation could not have been foreseen until the final product.

How does this change the fact that it's still a problem?

#2: Sony apologizing fir the problem wouldn't ruin their reputation at all. In fact it'd probley help them in the long run. You think "Fuck off, and like it" didn't hurt their reputation?

Oh yes because Kaz just gave everyone the finger. Give it a rest.

#3: If the PSP became a centermeter wider to work properly it is worth it.

Chances are it'd be a little bigger.

#4: Stop being such a fan boy

lmfao pot calling the kettle black

[Regole]

Heh, this thread sucks.

Good topic, turned into a terrible flame war. Shame shame.

BTW, can anyone link me to an article showing where GBA games mess up on the DS? Because I've encountered no problems so far on it.

[Wildarms7000]

Captain N, you suck

[gk128]

Long story short...

I think Sony handled this all wrong, and as a draftsperson believe this is a problem that could be fixed easily. Sure it will cost some more $$$, but as a company your decisions refelect apon you, and a decision such as this I think it only hurt Sony.

If this had been Nintendo I would have also bitched and stood up for the consumer.

I don't believe a flaw or two in emulation, which is an imperfect science in the first place, is something to bitch about given the circumstances. Others do.

Anyway I'm done arguing, that is unless someone gives me a reason to not stop.

So I'm done. That doesn't mean I lost or someone else won. It means this is pointless.

I've been gaming before the word Sony even had anything to do with gaming. Back when companies released products that worked properly, and if they didn't work right they where fixed.

Those days are over. I'll just have to live with that.

[All-Night John]

So I'm done. That doesn't mean I lost or someone else won. It means this is pointless.
That's loser talk.

[Frequency]

I've been gaming before the word Sony even had anything to do with gaming. Back when companies released products that worked properly, and if they didn't work right they where fixed.

Are you serious? Who are you trying to kid here? We all remember the days of the NES only working half the time, or the GameGear practically melting if you left it plugged in too long. There are TONS more examples of this back then, I'm just shocked that someone had the audacity to actually say it.

You don't like Sony? Boo fucking hoo my friend. There have always been problems and glitches in every type of entertainment since it's creation, and there will never be a time when everything is perfect. It is not possible.

Keep in mind that I don't have a problem with your valid arguments in this thread, I just have a problem with your bleeding heart comments that make absolutely no sense at all.

Now somebody get a violinist in here.

[All-Night John]

http://img206.exs.cx/img206/3302/violin4hi.gif

[Captain N]

Heh, this thread sucks.

Good topic, turned into a terrible flame war. Shame shame.

BTW, can anyone link me to an article showing where GBA games mess up on the DS? Because I've encountered no problems so far on it.

A terrible flame war?

Honestly you people keep coming out of left field with increasingly stupid comments. Get a fucking clue.

[gk128]

#1: Re-reading the ending to my previous post I'll accept all jokes that come my way.

#2: There have been problems with gaming systems in the past, but I can't recall any that could have been fixed with the company telling consumers to fuck off and like it.

#3: Who brought up the emulation thing in the first place?

Captain N

#4: No you're just saying that becayse you're arguements suck ass and that you cant back them up. It would have been better to just back out and not say anything more rather than go "OK GUYS NOBODY ONE THIS ARGUEMENT THIS IS POINTLESS IM GOING TO BACK OUT NOW."

Yeah, I know that wanting a product without such a preventable flaw is so wrong. Especially when I'm thinking of putting $250 down on it.

Maybe I see it different seeing as I have training in drafting. Whoever OKed the lueprints for the final PSP sure wasn't an engineer, bucause a design flaw like that would have been sent back to the drawing table.

I have no beef with Sony or the PSP, but to OK a flawed design is bullshit.

I still have optimism to pick up a PSP in the next year or so. I'm not going to put down the entire device for such a tiny flaw.

The fact is that Sony OKed it, and I believe that was wrong. A faulty screen or battery is one thing. Those arn't planned. This button placement was.

[Regole]

A terrible flame war?

Honestly you people keep coming out of left field with increasingly stupid comments. Get a fucking clue.

Once again, starting flames. You're a very angry person, might wanna fix that mista blakeman.

[gk128]

gr8

Guess what? Pracitcally every gaming system has the possibility of defect or techincal problems. Notice how only a few thousad out of the million or so people returned and complained about the PSP. Maybe Sony will release models without that flaw? Who knows.

Yes, any electronic device has the possibility of a defect. However these defects are almost always caused by electronic problems. Not poor design.



Which could have pushed it back even further. Sony missed a holiday release and I wouldnt want it to be delayed any longer.

Yes, who wants a correctly designed system when you'll have to wait a bit longer?



A flawed design which is probably a minor problem that only shitheads would make a big deal over.



Yet you're making a big fucking deal over it.

If I'm going to spend $250 of my hard earned money I want something designed properly. Especally given my trade. It has been pounded into my brain for the past four years that it is never ok to do such a thing.

So if I'm a shithead for thinking a small problem is a big deal then so be it. For $250 a unit Sony could atleast have drafted it up right the first time.

[Captain N]

Once again, starting flames. You're a very angry person, might wanna fix that mista blakeman.

lmao sigged

[arefx]

Why am I not surprised at all?

[Tom the First]

Way to go on ignoring everything in the thread aside from the first post.
If his response was only to the first post, why worry about his comment? Some people are like snapping turtles here. It's getting annoying.

[Tom the First]

He made an unfinformed and ignorant content without reading more than the original post in the thread.
I think better conclusions could be drawn if arefx wasn't so vague with his comment.

[Tom the First]

Think of it this way.

Since Captain N, gk, along with others and I have different viewpoints on the whole subject in this thread, Arefx probably wouldnt have made a bullshit comment like that if he took the time to read the thread, rather than basically say "lol stupid Sony PSP IS HUGE BLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".
Ah, I see what you mean now.
And you can post shit here. This isn't G4. :P

[Blackwolf]

Think of it this way.

Since Captain N, gk, along with others and I have different viewpoints on the whole subject in this thread, Arefx probably wouldnt have made a bullshit comment like that if he took the time to read the thread, rather than basically say "lol stupid Sony PSP IS HUGE BLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

I don't think it warranted a Report to Moderator email, though.

On the topic at hand though, while I may not agree with you guys on the button issue, I still respect the opinions expressed, and I haven't cancelled my PSP preorder...yet.

I'm waiting to see the true, definitive list of launch titles before doing that. If there's no games I want at launch, then sorry guys, put a PSP back on the shelf and I'll get it later. ;P

[sKippy]

These threads make me giggle.

Now STFU and Buy Half-Life 2 kthxbai!

[gk128]

You actually read those things?

No, they just sit there to clog up server space.

[Blackwolf]

You actually read those things?

Yes. I do.

[Regole]

lmao sigged

O noes! Not the sig!

[Captain N]

O noes! Not the sig!

Wow a little there are we Zane

[Blackwolf]

A step in the right direction (http://www.techjapan.com/Article900.html)

Sony has confirmed that the controller buttons on some Playstation Portable (PSP) units may become stuck and not return to their default position. A free repair program has been announced.

The defect occurs in part of the initial shipment of PSP units and is caused by excess plastic not being completely removed during the molding and manufacturing process of the outer cabinet. As a result, when a button is pressed, it can become caught on the excess plastic and not return fully to its default position.

Also, this production defect has already been addressed. "This problem does not occur in the units produced in 2005," the company said. The units suffering from the problem, "are about 0.6% of the 510,000 units shipped in 2004," (Sony).

Sony is conducting a free repair program for users who have PSP units affected by this problem. The defect is not present in PSP units currently being sold.

This doesn't address the sensor issue with the square button, but it IS the way I expect a company to address an issue. Major kudos to Sony.

[Blue Falcon]

A step in the right direction (http://www.techjapan.com/Article900.html)



This doesn't address the sensor issue with the square button, but it IS the way I expect a company to address an issue. Major kudos to Sony.

Agreed. I'm pleased to read this news.

[Dualist]

ANother reason why I don't purchase a Playstation. They never want to fix their shit, until 4 years down the road. (the PStwo)

[alexsan]

A step in the right direction (http://www.techjapan.com/Article900.html)



This doesn't address the sensor issue with the square button, but it IS the way I expect a company to address an issue. Major kudos to Sony.
good. hopefully they will fix the US ones before they ship

[gk128]

At least Sony is attempting to fix the problem now.

[alexsan]

At least Sony is attempting to fix the problem now.
just to make the media stop teasing them

[Regole]

Wow a little there are we Zane

A little late, you mean? And if so, it's because I rarely check this forum. I just check here periodically since I'm banned from G4. =/