Al Franken > Bill O'Reilly?

[EmpyII]

Well be sure to sit down for this one, as I couldn't believe it. Looks like Al Franken's Radio show had more listeners than Bill O'Reilly's Radio Factor in New York the hour the two shows go head to head on the 20th. Here's more on it if it interests you.

http://www.radio.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml%3Ftype=entertainmentNews%26story ID=5724045

[BennyHill]

Did you read that article completely? It says Franken beat him in the 24-52 demographic. In the broader 12 and up graphic, O' Reilly beat him. That basically translates in O'Reilly drawing a larger audience overall. The most disturbing thing in that article is that fat hypocrite, Rush Limbaugh does better than both. That is sad!

[Arandar]

Yeah you do know that Air America is just about off the air now right? The ratings for it have sucked from what I have heard and its basically a matter of time until the whole thing gets canned. Although this is according to none other then.....Bill O'Reilly. Anyway I like Franken for the most part since he is usually pretty funny in what he does. He does go over the top sometimes though and thats kind of what gives him a bad name. What pisses me off though is that O'Reilly brands Franken a "smear merchant" and yet doesn't call Ann Coulter the same, and not only that he invites he on his show! Not conservative my ass.

[EmpyII]

yeah I did read the whole thing, I was just suprised that he beat out o'Reilly in any demographic. Also that limbaugh crushed them both is still the saddest thing in the article IMO :-) As for Air America didn't it recently loose 2 more stations so now it's down to 4 or 5 or something? I've personally never listened to it, but if I ever wanted to listen to intelligent liberal radio. I'll tune in to Allan Combs show.

[Tedakin]

I don't listen to the radio very often, but I enjoy the O'Reilly Factor TV show.

[MusicFan]

I don't listen to the radio very often, but I enjoy the O'Reilly Factor TV show.It's sometimes enjoyable watching that moron. Al Franken has owned Bill O'Reilly at least 2 times, if not more. If it comes out of Bill O'Reilly's mouth it is bullshit.

[Tedakin]

It's sometimes enjoyable watching that moron. Al Franken has owned Bill O'Reilly at least 2 times, if not more. If it comes out of Bill O'Reilly's mouth it is bullshit.

Last I heard Al Franken's radio show was flopping nationwide and about to go under. Just what I heard.

[Duality]

Did you read that article completely? It says Franken beat him in the 24-52 demographic. In the broader 12 and up graphic, O' Reilly beat him. That basically translates in O'Reilly drawing a larger audience overall. The most disturbing thing in that article is that fat hypocrite, Rush Limbaugh does better than both. That is sad! So O'Reilly has a larger demographic share ... with those between 12-24 and those over 52?

How does the quote go?

"I'm a male, aged 18-49 and everybody listens to me no matter how stupid my suggestions are."

Yeah you do know that Air America is just about off the air now right? The ratings for it have sucked from what I have heard and its basically a matter of time until the whole thing gets canned. Well O'Reilly has been pushing this notion for some time, as though that were any big shock to anyone who's at all familiar with the animosity between Franken and O'Reilly.

AAR isn't doing very well -- they are hemmoraging money, but most networks do in their first couple of years of life. FOX News Channel lost $150m its first two years, just to get an idea of how much it means.

AAR started with a very meager $6m initial investment. Though it had appeared that the majority of investors were under the impression it cost $30m to get started.

However, since Randi Rhodes appears to be off the network, I'm much more likely to listen. Randi Rhodes is about as close as you're going to get to the Ann Coulter of the liberal left. She's even made jokes about assassination.

[EmpyII]

I'm not a huge O'Reilly fan. But enjoy watching his show sometimes even I agree with him. I just really dislike Franken. I actually saw the BookTV thing and he was a total a-hole to O'Reilly on it, before Bill went off on him. I'm sorry if you can't at least be cordial in a public place with people you might not like/agree with. I can't respect you.

As for Air America I'm not sure how long it will last or even if it will start making money. If it does go under, isn't Bloomberg selling its cable news channel to Al Gore to make a liberal news channel? If anything that should be interesting to see how that works out.

[MusicFan]

I'm not a huge O'Reilly fan. But enjoy watching his show sometimes even I agree with him. I just really dislike Franken. I actually saw the BookTV thing and he was a total a-hole to O'Reilly on it, before Bill went off on him. I'm sorry if you can't at least be cordial in a public place with people you might not like/agree with. I can't respect you.Bill O'Reilly cordial? That is bullshit, O'Reilly needs to learn some social skills and not tell someone to "shut up" when he is proven wrong. I like Franken, he's much better than O'Reilly or Moore.

hypocrisy, thy name is o'reilly. oh, yeah -- dickheadedness? yours too.Sweet Jesus, I Hate Bill O'Reilly (http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/)

EmpyII I will provide with a few examples of Bill O'Reilly not being cordial.
Example 1 (http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/transcripts/oreillyglick.htm)
Examples 2-21 (http://216.36.93.7/stewert/viewtopic.php?t=410&highlight=shut)

[Arandar]

Heh that I hate Bill O'Reilly site is pretty funny. You know what the sad thing is though? As bad as O'Reilly can be sometimes, Sean Hannity is much much worse. I mean the guy is a walking(or I should say sitting) contridiction. Every single thing he bitches about liberals doing he then laughs about if conservatives do it. He also a broken record. I could literally tell you word for word what he is going to say in a political segment. Blah blah blah "moral clarity"(I hate this phrase now with a passion since he uses it every other sentence) blah blah blah no core values blah blah blah flip-flopper blah blah blah.

[EmpyII]

Heh that I hate Bill O'Reilly site is pretty funny. You know what the sad thing is though? As bad as O'Reilly can be sometimes, Sean Hannity is much much worse. I mean the guy is a walking(or I should say sitting) contridiction. Every single thing he bitches about liberals doing he then laughs about if conservatives do it. He also a broken record. I could literally tell you word for word what he is going to say in a political segment. Blah blah blah "moral clarity"(I hate this phrase now with a passion since he uses it every other sentence) blah blah blah no core values blah blah blah flip-flopper blah blah blah.
I'm totally with you with Hannity. He's just a partisan, if Democrats decided to lower taxes to a 1% flat tax he would then start saying that low taxes are a bad thing. The only reason I think Hannity and Colmbs works is because of Allen Combs. I don't have anything personally against Hannity, I just really dislike how he handles himself.

[Tedakin]

That goes either way. No matter what Republicans do the Democrats say it's wrong, and vice versa. It goes both ways, not just right to left.

[EmpyII]

Yeah I'm with you 100% Tedakin. In fact I used to joke that the Republican and Demorcatic leadership met in an uber top secret meeting where they pull issues out of a hat that one is "right" about and the other "wrong". Then for the next year they squabble over the issues that they picked in that secret meeting :-P

[Arandar]

That goes either way. No matter what Republicans do the Democrats say it's wrong, and vice versa. It goes both ways, not just right to left.

Difference: Allan Combs doesn't act like a complete jackass pretty much and is actually fair to the guests. Also he doesn't repeat the same 3 phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, well you get the idea.

Oh and Empy here you dropped your tinfoil hat. :P

[EmpyII]

Thanks Arandar...I was wondering where that went and all the thoughts the government would steal outta my head with it off :-P

[Duality]

Difference: Allan Combs doesn't act like a complete jackass pretty much and is actually fair to the guests. Also he doesn't repeat the same 3 phrases over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, well you get the idea. And that's why Alan Colmes will never get top billing of his own show on FNC.

There's an interesting excerpt from Franken's Lying Liars where he's having a discussion with Colmes about a segment recently done on the show. Franken points out that Colmes had the perfect chance to call Sean Hannity on his bullshit. When asked about it, Colmes explained to Franken that it wasn't "that kind of show."

It was real depressing. Colmes is sharp and a great personality, but that excerpt really gave me the impression that he is nothing more than Hannity's bitch.

[Arandar]

Yeah I read his book to and it was pretty funny. Thats pretty sad though since Combs was basically hand picked by Hannity. Although Combs has been kind of fighting back in recent months. I think he doesn't want to be "Hannity's bitch" anymore and wants to be considered an equal and be treated fair. I'm sure he'll end up getting fired though if that ever happened.

The thing I wish though is that O'Reilly would just admit hes a Republican, or at least conservative. He actually is a registered Republican afterall. I mean personally I don't care if hes a Republican or not, I mean we all know he is one, but I just wish he would just admit it. You can be of one party and still be a "fair and balanced" journalist/interviewer ala Allan Combs. It just annoys me though I mean the only examples he gives of him having liberal views are not cutting down every tree in the world, because hes not a moron, and against the death penalty. Thats because hes a Catholic though, as much as he might deny it.

[InnerLogic]

And that's why Alan Colmes will never get top billing of his own show on FNC.

There's an interesting excerpt from Franken's Lying Liars where he's having a discussion with Colmes about a segment recently done on the show. Franken points out that Colmes had the perfect chance to call Sean Hannity on his bullshit. When asked about it, Colmes explained to Franken that it wasn't "that kind of show."

It was real depressing. Colmes is sharp and a great personality, but that excerpt really gave me the impression that he is nothing more than Hannity's bitch.
sad enough, he is, he does nothing really good on that show. If you look at the whole network, it's easy to see he is the ONLY liberal on FNC, and even then, he ever really gets any say.

[EmpyII]

I wouldn't say that Innerlogic. I think Greta Van Sustern (sp?) is liberal too. Fox tends to have more conservative opinion shows, I don't blame them for that really since that's where the money is. Take away their opinion shows and its really just like CNN or MSNBC.

[Arandar]

Are you sure she is? I never really watched her show but I know when she was on O'Reilly she said she just doesn't tell anyone who she votes for. So shes not an open Dem or Rep, or even Independent I guess.

As for the news networks, conservatism news isn't comepletly where its at. Its just a numbers game here. They keep bragging they have the highest ratings and they "quickly tookover" and blah blah blah. Well lets look at the numbers here: half the country is Democrats, while the other half are Republican. Theres 3 all news all the time stations, 2 are liberal and 1 is conservative. You do the math.

[EmpyII]

Well I don't think she's ever openly stated she's a democrat or anything. But occasionally she talks about her views, and she sometimes does some minor sparring with Hannity when they do the lead in for her.

The other thing you said is pretty much on the nose too. When I said that's where the money is at. I was looking at it from a there are already 2 "liberal" news stations out there. So making another prolly wont draw too much of a new crowd.

I tend to flip around all three, but the ONLY good morning show is MSNBC when they show Imus. The sad thing is its just the guys radio show with 2 cameras in the studio.

[Duality]

MSNBC/NBC News is hardly liberal.

Joe Scarborough?
Chris Matthews?
Tim Russert?

All hold pretty fairly conservative views, but are the least likely to show their bias. Joe Scarborough not so much.

But don't forget that MSNBC is the same network that hired Michael Savage. Pretty far from being a liberal news outlet.

[EmpyII]

That's a good point Duality. Once Fox News went #1 MSNBC went waay right. The only real bad guy on MSNBC is Scarborough. I think they tried to clone O'Reilly's show, but they just push it to the boarder of Facist.

Before MSNBC began to change they were pretty lefty. I think they've now finally found their place more or less in the middle. After all this past year is the first year they have made a profit.

[MusicFan]

I don't watch MSNBC or Fox News, I actually prefer to listen to NPR.

[AcquiredTarget]

I pretty much watch all 3 news networks and cnbc. It the only way I feel that I can comfortably get decent coverage. I do take issue with Fox's motto of being fair and balanced. In away, they are fair and balanced when it comes to competing against the other networks, but not when suiting my definition of being fair and balanced. When someone tells me that they are fair and balanced that means to be that they will report just the facts only, no opinon shows, etc. sadly I don't get this feeling from Fox (let alone the others).

That being said, it is sometimes fun to watch shows with liberals and democrats on them. Why fun? Because you know they'll never sit back and go "you know, you might be right." or even say the words "Let me see if I understand your viewpoint". They'll just go on and on and entrench themselves in their viewpoints.

[cool8man]

Nobody can compete with Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin. WABC radio 12PM-8PM is what everyone is listening to. Air America is a flop. Conservative talk radio Limbaugh/Hannity/Levin has between 15-20 million listeners. The highest rated cable news network, Fox News, by comparison only has maximum of 1.5-3 million viewers. MSNBC has a few hundred thousand viewers. O'Reilly's radio show in NY goes up against Hannity and Limbaugh and he gets killed as a result.

O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes are the highest rated programs on cable network news. O'Reilly's radio show does very well but nowhere near as well as conservative talk radio WABC Hannity, Rush, and Mark Levin get unbelieable ratings and they deserve it as their programs are exceptionally well done. The Radio Factor which is not on WABC is not very good. The O'Reilly Factor used to be a much better program when O'Reilly was much more confrontational and on top of his game. The tv show is overrated at this point and FNC would beyond the shadow of a doubt get better ratings if Sean Hannity had a show in it's place. Hannity is straddled with Colmes and as a result his program suffers. The Sean Hannity radio show is by far the best radio program and it is honored as such. His afternoon prime time lead-in Limbaugh still gets the best ratings, but Sean Hannity is the best.

MSNBC is a mess and it's ratings are abysmal. Tim Russert and Chris Matthews are both liberals, but they are generally moderates. Scarborough is a Republican, but he's an idiot and his show is terrible. MSNBC isn't as liberal as CNN, but Matthews, Norville, and Olberman are liberals. Olberman is a bit extreme.

The most fair political news show on tv is Special Report with Brit Hume. In the last 20 minutes of Special Report they have a rotating panel of "Fox News All-Stars" (Mort Kondracke (liberal), Juan Williams (liberal), Fred Barnes (conservative), Bill Kristol (conservative), Charles Krauthammer (conservative), Jeff Birnbaum (liberal), Mara Liasson (liberal)) which fairly and intelligently disect and debate the political news.

Fox News Watch is fair and balanced as well. The show consists of Jim Pinkerton (moderate conservative), Cal Thomas (conservative), Jane Hall (moderate liberal), Neal Gabler (liberal). The Beltway Boys is fair and balanced. BB consists of Mort Kondracke (liberal) and Fred Barnes (conservative). Hannity & Colmes is fair and balanced, it consists of Sean Hannity (conservative) and Alan Colmes (liberal). Greta Van Susteran doesn't deal with politics much but she is a liberal as is Geraldo Rivera.

FNC has a huge list of liberal and Democratic on-air contributors: Bob Beckel, Jeff Birnbaum (Washington Post), Alan Colmes (Hannity & Colmes), Susan Estrich (LA Times), Geraldine Ferraro, Neal Gabler (Fox News Watch), Jane Hall (Fox News Watch), Ellis Henican (NY Newsday), Mort Kondracke (Roll Call), Mara Liasson (NPR), Geraldo Rivera, Greta Van Susteran, Juan Williams (NPR) to name a few. What conservatives does CNN have? The dork in the bow tie, Tucker?


It amazes me that liberals complain about Fox News when the 3 major networks ABC, NBC, and CBS are overwhelmingly liberal, PBS is liberal, CNN is liberal, NPR is liberal, and Hollywood and all of it's movies are all from an extremely liberal viewpoint.

The fact of the matter is that FNC is more fair and balanced, it's just that liberal viewers are so used to not hearing the conservative viewpoint that they can't handle a network that gives conservatives half the coverage and treats them respectfully. Half the country is conservative, but you would never realize that by watching the networks and going to the movies.

[Arandar]

Hello Sean Hannity. We don't like you, please leave. Thanks.

Anyway no Fox News is not fair and balanced. Its pretty hard to be "fair and balanced" when most of your shows hosts are Republicans. Add to that the majority, if not all, of the Republican contributers are far far rightextremists. Ann Coulter did get fired from a newspaper for being a far right Bible thumping wacko afterall. Alan is actually fair, unlike Sean. Maybe if they had more Republicans like John McCain who were fair minded respectful people then I would like Republicans in general more. And I'm an Independent, or unenrolled since Independent is a party now apparently, I don't whore myself out to political parties and be their bitch.

BTQ, can you please explain to me how a movie about a super hero or a romance can be liberal? Also there are alot of Republican celebs as well, you just choose to ignore them to further your crusade of thinking your better then everyone else and Democrats are the scum of the earth.

[Blackwolf]

Quick question, Arandar, just picking out one sentence in your post...

...Is it possible to be "fair and balanced" when most of your shows hosts are Democrats?

[Arandar]

Quick question, Arandar, just picking out one sentence in your post...

...Is it possible to be "fair and balanced" when most of your shows hosts are Democrats?
I said Republicans for one, but if you mean am I saying they should all be replaced by Democrats then the answer is no. I want ACTUAL fair and balanced people to host the shows. Not far right extremists like Sean Hannity. And yes I watch the show so I know what I'm talking about. Alan Colmes is a fair Democrat, just like John McCain and I would say Bob Dole are fair Republicans. If more right wingers were like those two in having a sense or humor and not acting like jackasses all the time then maybe I wouldn't have such a problem with them. I'm sure McCain is a Christian, yet I have never heard him use a "because its Gods will" arguement before. Alot of Republicans do that which is what pisses me off, if somethings a good idea its a good idea, if its a bad idea then its a bad idea, leave the religious crap out of it.

[Blackwolf]

Gotcha.

[cool8man]

Arandar is ridiculous. People are only fair if they agree with you? Fair is having both sides of an issue get debated and Fox News does that more than any other network. CNN and MSNBC are more likely to have only 1 side of an issue represented without debate. For example even Chris Matthews who many times is a pretty fair liberal will only have Howard Dean on by himself spouting out hundreds of conspiracy theories.

From http://drudgereport.com/

CABLE NEWS RACE
WED, AUG 18, 2004

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1.5 [RATING]
FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 1.5
FOXNEWS GRETA 1.3
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1.2
FOXNEWS BRIT HUME 1.1
CNN LARRY KING 0.8
MSNBC HARDBALL 0.7
CNN PAULA ZAHN 0.6
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 0.4
MSNBC NORVILLE 0.4
CNN AARON BROWN 0.4
MSNBC OLBERMAN 0.3
CNBC MILLER 0.1
CNBC MCENROE 0.1

MSNBC and especially CNBC are in the disaster zone. Microsoft wants to get out of the network but they are contractually tied to NBC.

leave the religious crap out of it.Religion is not "crap" to me, it is very important to me and most other Americans. I don't have any problem with political figures acknowledging their religious beliefs. Anyone who puts their religious beliefs on the back burner is not really religous at all. Acknowledging and respecting your religous beliefs, regardless of what religion it is, to me proves that person has a moral core and can be more trusted than someone who does not. When John Kerry says he believes life begins at conception, but then says he supports partial birth abortion, I know that to him religion is nothing more than ornamental and he holds something up higher than his religious beliefs. After having a President like Bill Clinton moral clarity is essential to most Americans.

[Arandar]

Acknowledging and respecting your religous beliefs, regardless of what religion it is, to me proves that person has a moral core and can be more trusted than someone who does not.
I'm sure those alter boys agree with you 100%.

Incase you have never looked at a history book, which you obviously haven't, religion is the number one cause of suffering across the world since the dawn of time. More wars have been started over religion or in the name of whatever god then for any other reason. Nearly every single war/battle in history had some type of religious ties to it, even if it wasn't the direct cause of the way to begin with. The fact that someone who is religious makes them "trustworthy" to you while someone who is not only shows your ignorance and your weakness in character and will, as well as being a blind sheep who goes where your told. Your also a hypocrite since you have no problems with Republicans even though they are for the death penalty. Last time I checked Thou Shall Not Kill was still a Commandment for you Christians.

But why should I bother though since you didn't even read my arguement in the first place. I NEVER said if you don't agree with me then your wrong. Nor did I say you couldn't believe in whatever the hell you want religiously, I simply said keep the religious crap out of goverment. You know since your supposed to anyway because of that whole pesky Seperation of Church and State thing in that oh so annoying Constitution.

I will say it again though, GO AWAY Sean Hannity.

[MusicFan]

Arandar is ridiculous. People are only fair if they agree with you? Fair is having both sides of an issue get debated and Fox News does that more than any other network. CNN and MSNBC are more likely to have only 1 side of an issue represented without debate. For example even Chris Matthews who many times is a pretty fair liberal will only have Howard Dean on by himself spouting out hundreds of conspiracy theories.

From http://drudgereport.com/

CABLE NEWS RACE
WED, AUG 18, 2004

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1.5 [RATING]
FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 1.5
FOXNEWS GRETA 1.3
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1.2
FOXNEWS BRIT HUME 1.1
CNN LARRY KING 0.8
MSNBC HARDBALL 0.7
CNN PAULA ZAHN 0.6
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 0.4
MSNBC NORVILLE 0.4
CNN AARON BROWN 0.4
MSNBC OLBERMAN 0.3
CNBC MILLER 0.1
CNBC MCENROE 0.1

MSNBC and especially CNBC are in the disaster zone. Microsoft wants to get out of the network but they are contractually tied to NBC.

Religion is not "crap" to me, it is very important to me and most other Americans. I don't have any problem with political figures acknowledging their religious beliefs. Anyone who puts their religious beliefs on the back burner is not really religous at all. Acknowledging and respecting your religous beliefs, regardless of what religion it is, to me proves that person has a moral core and can be more trusted than someone who does not. When John Kerry says he believes life begins at conception, but then says he supports partial birth abortion, I know that to him religion is nothing more than ornamental and he holds something up higher than his religious beliefs. After having a President like Bill Clinton moral clarity is essential to most Americans.Matt Drudge with his loads of BULLSHIT. He considers Bill O'Reilly as a NEWS SOURCE something wrong when Bill O'Leilly is a news source. Fox News also cuts off the people who disagree with them, I don't find that very fair. Morals are something that Clinton did damn well better than on with Bush, what's worse screwing the intern or screwing the country? Laura Bush doesn't give a fuck about the scientific benifits of stem cell reserach, and she is against it because Christianity is against it, fuck her. I want to see McEnroe beat the shit out O'Reilly. McEnroe is the anti-O'Reilly, thankfully there is one. What really disgusts me and pisses the fuck out of me is Republican mayor of New York City Michael Bloomberg refuses to give pay raises to New York City firefighters and police officers, these people risk there lives every single damn day, were heroes of 9/11 and it fucking disgusts me how anti-American he is, the Republicans don't deserve to step one inch in NYC and hold their convention exploiting 9/11 with this outrage going on, Bloomberg does not deserve to hold office, and fuck him. The Republicans are also pissing me off by not letting members of the liberal media goto the Republican National Convention, but the Democrats were more than willing to let members of the conservative media goto the Democratic National Convention. If you want to continue to get bullshit Republican propaganda, continue getting your news from Fox News Channel and Matt Drudge.

[cool8man]

Matt Drudge and Bill O'Reilly hate each other. Bill O'Reilly has said that Matt Drudge is a threat to America and absolutely hates the Drudgereport. Matt Drudge posted the numbers saying that Al Franken's show was beating O'Reilly in NY in target demographics. The very topic of this thread originally came from Matt Drudge. They HATE each other.

Ouch. MusicFan owned.



The Bush administration isn't against Stem Cell Research. They are against federal funding of Stem Cell Research. Meaning that the tax dollars of all people even those who feel stem cell research is an immoral practice would have to pay to have it done. Laura Bush's father died from Alzeimers disease so to say she doesn't care demonstrates complete ignorance on your part. The fact of the matter is that John Kerry is on the campaign trail promising cures for Aids, Alzeihmers, and Cancer from Stem Cell Research. He use's the "what if..." speech. The fact of the matter is that Stem Cell Research has already shown that it is not going to be able to cure Alzeiheimers and Laura Bush is right that it is unfair to make promises and get everyone's hopes up that it will provide cures for all of these diseases when there is no early evidence to support that at all. Laura Bush hit the exact right note. As far as judging the moral character of President Bush versus Bill Clinton... :smt005 I'll let everyone else decide that for themselves. :smt082


I want to see McEnroe beat the shit out O'Reilly. McEnroe is the anti-O'Reilly, thankfully there is one.Damn straight he's the anti-O'Reilly. McEnroe is frequently pulling in 0.0 Nielsen ratings has only 37,000 viewers a night and is likely going to be cancelled within weeks.

McEnroe beat the shit out of O'Reilly? :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt082 :smt082 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005


THURSDAY NIGHT RATINGS (http://drudgereport.com/):

CABLE NEWS RACE
THU, AUG 19, 2004

FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 1.6 [RATING]
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1.6
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1.3
FOXNEWS GRETA 1.2
FOXNEWS BRIT HUME 1.2
CNN LARRY KING 0.9
MSNBC HARDBALL 0.8
CNN PAULA ZAHN 0.6
CNN AARON BROWN 0.5
MSNBC OLBERMANN 0.5
MSNBC NORVILLE 0.4
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 0.4
CNBC DENNIS MILLER 0.1
CNBC MCENROE 0.1

Funny thing is that Bill O'Reilly has been on vacation for a week and a half. Lazy bastard! Cable news has been growing by leaps and bounds, but it's still an incredibly small audience compared to network and Talk radio. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have over 15 million people listening to them every single day. McEnroe on average has 40,000 viewers.

[cool8man]

I'm sure those alter boys agree with you 100%.

Incase you have never looked at a history book, which you obviously haven't, religion is the number one cause of suffering across the world since the dawn of time. More wars have been started over religion or in the name of whatever god then for any other reason. Nearly every single war/battle in history had some type of religious ties to it, even if it wasn't the direct cause of the way to begin with.Actually religion is responsible for far more good. Good deeds usually don't get documented. People who have used religion as an excuse to inflict pain and sufferring have perverted their religion and are not true followers. Wars come and go, but in everyday life there is endless good deeds that are done as a result of religion. It takes incredibly strong moral character to be able to follow one's religious beliefs. Strong religious beliefs is an attribute not a liability. Most Americans agree.



The fact that someone who is religious makes them "trustworthy" to you while someone who is not only shows your ignorance and your weakness in character and will, as well as being a blind sheep who goes where your told. Your also a hypocrite since you have no problems with Republicans even though they are for the death penalty. Last time I checked Thou Shall Not Kill was still a Commandment for you Christians.You don't know jack about me, so there's no reason or excuse for the childish ad hominem attacks. I support the death penalty and war because it saves lives of innocent people. The purpose of the death penalty is to protect us. If someone is a meance to society and there is no reasonable hope of rehabilitation then the death penalty is necessary to protect us. To not do anything to protect innocent people and deter violence would be a far greater evil. Religious moral character does make someone more trustworthy to me because it means they believe they have to answer and be accountable for their actions to a greater being. Religion is the driving force behind the overwhelming good that exists in this world. If you just watched the news you might think there is nothing but evil in the world, but the average person, the vast majority of people are good and do good deeds. The reason for this is because goodness usually goes undocumented, only that out of the ordinary is usually deemed newsworthy.

[MusicFan]

McEnroe beat the shit out of O'Reilly? :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt082 :smt082 :smt005 :smt005 :smt005You wouldn't like McEnroe when he is angry, he will attack you with tennis rackets. The truth doesn't seem to come to your head, oh well. Intelligence is a factor, not ratings.

McEnroe:
-Doesn't cut people off.
-Doesn't get mad when proven incorrect.
-Acts mature.
-Tennis legend.

O'Reilly:
-Cuts people off.
-Gets mad when proven incorrect.
-Doesn't have manners, acts like a 5 year-old.
-Sucks at tennis.

[Sub-Z]

First off I am so sick of this "cutting mics off" thing. I have watched the few times this has actually happened. When it happens it is usually because somebody just rambles on and on and on without making their point and won't answer the question. In other words you have to be pretty damn beligerent to get it cut off. Unfortunately poor saps that do this seem to be Democrats. O'Reilly for the most part has good views, but can tend to go overboard. Most of the time he points out simple cases of right and wrong and common sense then people fly all over him. Again these attacks nomally come from Democrats. I really don't see how you can call lump him up with Anne Caulter either. I remember the last time she was on O'Reilly basically said she was out of her mind.

I would like to know exactly which of O'Reilly's views are completely off base to you and give me reasons you come to this conclusion instead of just hurling insults.

[Arandar]

I would like to know exactly which of O'Reilly's views are completely off base to you and give me reasons you come to this conclusion instead of just hurling insults.
From what I have seen, and I usually watch him every night, he has NEVER labeled Ann Coulter a "smear merchant" which he jumps at the chance to call Al Frankin nearly every night. Furthermore he doesn't even have the balls to say Al Franken's name and calls him by his SNL skit name of "Stuart Smally". Next I'm sick of his religious views in that the pro religious people are always the "good guys" and anyone whos not religious is therefor wrong and misguided.

Other then that I don't really have a problem with him except that he called himself an Independent. Anyone who has watched the show and isn't a far right extremist knows hes not an Independent. I don't care that hes a Republican, thats fine its his choice, I just wish he would finally just admit it and stop lying about it to seem more "fair and balanced."

[Sub-Z]

I would say he is a Republican, boarderline too far right. I don't think he holds enough centrist views to be an independent, but I do think he tries to show both sides of the arguement and more times than not the other guest tends to hang themselves. If you want my impression of who is the most fair and balanced in interviews it has to be Russert. The man is made of stone. :) Al Franken is a little bit of a puke, I used to like him a lot more when he actually was Stuart Smalley. When he gets on religious cases normally it is because some court is trying to trample on peoples current religious rights. Like that one thing where it was ok to display any symbol but a cross. And Ann Caulter.. what can you say about her.... well she does make some good observations. :)

[Blackwolf]

I think Jon Stewart is the most fair and balanced. Because he's not real.

[Duality]

Its true. You can totally see the CGI.

[Arandar]

I would say he is a Republican, boarderline too far right. I don't think he holds enough centrist views to be an independent, but I do think he tries to show both sides of the arguement and more times than not the other guest tends to hang themselves. If you want my impression of who is the most fair and balanced in interviews it has to be Russert. The man is made of stone. :) Al Franken is a little bit of a puke, I used to like him a lot more when he actually was Stuart Smalley. When he gets on religious cases normally it is because some court is trying to trample on peoples current religious rights. Like that one thing where it was ok to display any symbol but a cross. And Ann Caulter.. what can you say about her.... well she does make some good observations. :)
Well he is a registered Republican afterall. If you read Franken's book he has a picture of the registration form O'Reilly filled out. I would think that it would be illegal for someone to give that to him to use, but there you go. O'Reilly claimed there was no box for him to check off for Independent, which is a stupid thing to say since there is ALWAYS a box for Independent or no party hell on mine there was a box for Independent since its a party now and unenrolled which is no party. Again I don't care that hes a Republican, fine good for him he can have a cookie, I just wish he would stop with all the BS excuses about him claiming not to be one.

As for his views, the most far left he gets is the only two views he has ever given which aren't right wing ones. He doesn't want to cut down all the trees, and hes against the death penelty. Which from those proves nothing since only complete morons want to cut down all the trees, and hes against putting people top death because hes a Catholic. So those are pretty damn stupid reasons. However I don't think O'Reilly is fair really. I think he is more fair then most Republicns, aka Sean Hannity and Rush, but I don't think he is as fair as he could be. Like Alan Combs is alot more fair then Bill is.

As for Ann Coulter, well the the best and nicest thing I can say about he is that shes insane. And yes that is putting it as nice as humanly possible.

[Duality]

I'd just like to point out that Tim Russert is the biggest pussy in the media. He had a full hour of Meet the Press with Bush and didn't call him on anything.

[MusicFan]

I think Jon Stewart is the most fair and balanced. Because he's not real.Agreed.

[Baron von Brunk]

I'm going to be on the O'Reilly Factor soon hopefully. No lie.

[MusicFan]

cool8man, I'd like to know your thoughts on the fucking moron "leader person" aka President Bush not extending the assualt weapons ban.

[Sub-Z]

Heh the Assuault Weapons Ban was just there as a happy feel good issue for dems. There are and were much worse guns on the market in terms of killing power than the ones that were unbanned recently. Also there were newer modified versions of said guns released to bypass that law.

[Arandar]

I think what they should do is just make one type of gun legal. Since you can't really get around the 2nd Ammendment without just taking it off completly, they should try to make only 1 hand gun legal. That way people still have "The right to bare arms", but just only certain types. Just like how you have free speech, but can't yell fire in a movie theater.

Besides what purpose do assult weapons have besides to kill? There is no reason to own one since it would be useless hunting. This shouldn't even be an issue, it should just be a permanant ban on them.

[MusicFan]

I think what they should do is just make one type of gun legal. Since you can't really get around the 2nd Ammendment without just taking it off completly, they should try to make only 1 hand gun legal. That way people still have "The right to bare arms", but just only certain types. Just like how you have free speech, but can't yell fire in a movie theater.

Besides what purpose do assult weapons have besides to kill? There is no reason to own one since it would be useless hunting. This shouldn't even be an issue, it should just be a permanant ban on them.I agree.

[Sub-Z]

Which handgun do you propose to be legal? What would make one better than another in your eyes?

Also reasons people would OWN "assault weapons" well you have collectors, you have people that actually just like to do target practice with them. They are just big toys to a lot of responsible people and are no more dangerous than other firearms on the market. The reason the law that was on the books was bad was just because they basically took gun names out of a hat and said "ok this one is big and nasty looking, let's ban it to get the soccer mom and liberal vote that don't shoot or know anything about them anyway".