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If this affects the outcome of the game it'll be a total joke.
Julio Lugo was safe at first. Curt Schilling missed the tag. They get the call right originally, then change it after whining by the Red Sox. That's a run off the board and ends the top half of the 9th. What a joke. :smt013
Edit: Fortunately Danys Baez decided to increase his trade value again tonight.
Meanwhile in the NL, Albert Pujols goes 3-4 and Larry Walker hits two homeruns to help Matt Morris go 11-2 on the season.
Blackwolf
07-19-2005, 02:58 AM
If this affects the outcome of the game it'll be a total joke.
Julio Lugo was safe at first. Curt Schilling missed the tag. They get the call right originally, then change it after whining by the Red Sox. That's a run off the board and ends the top half of the 9th. What a joke. :smt013
Edit: Fortunately Danys Baez decided to increase his trade value again tonight.
That happened to the Braves a few weeks ago. Home run was hit, home run was called, but the opposing manager disagreed and they reversed the decision to an incorrect foul ball call. Braves lost the game by one run.
Unless you're going to use instant replay to REALLY justify it, don't change the call. If you get it wrong the first time, whoopdeedo that's nothing new in the sport as you knuckleheads have gotten plenty wrong before. Changing a call just makes it even worse when it turns out you got it right the first time. There's a reason why 99% of the time you eject the manager even if he's right to bitch about a call.
All-Night John
07-19-2005, 04:54 AM
I like it when the umps get together and make the right call.
This doesn't happen in the pros because of all of the different umpires but I love it in high school when the catcher asks for an appeal on a left-handed batters swing and the first base umpire says he went when there is no way to tell from his angle.
I like it when the umps get together and make the right call.
Even if Curt's foot touched the bag it would have been a tie.
Blackwolf
07-19-2005, 10:51 AM
I like it when the umps get together and make the right call.
I like THAT. It's just when they get together and change the correct call to an incorrect call.
Now, the opposing team claims they made the "right" call, even if it wasn't correct...Because they won the game because of it.
Gene Starwind
07-19-2005, 11:08 AM
I guess it's something to complain about if your team is in the race for the playoffs... oh wait.
Even if Curt's foot touched the bag it would have been a tie.Tie = out
Ender
07-19-2005, 11:24 AM
Tie = out
No.
Tie ALWAYS goes to the runner.
Gene Starwind
07-19-2005, 11:27 AM
Might be the rules, but the umps rarely play it that way. Countless occasions when I've seen the runner make it at the same time as the ball and it be an out.
BTW how about Baez for Ramirez?
Hanley Ramirez that is..
Gene Starwind
07-19-2005, 11:36 AM
Haha, Danys Beaz. All he can do is throw hard.
Well that's what closers do..
Gene Starwind
07-19-2005, 11:42 AM
What the hell? When did Baez get good? I blame the insane defense the D-Rays have.
I doubt the Sox would trade their best prospect for some closer, anyway.
The Devil Rays have the worst fielding percentage and second most errors in the majors. Mostly because they can't find anyone worth a crap to replace Rocco Baldelli in center field and have been doing the same juggling act in the infield. This isn't the same team as last year by a long stretch.
SaNkOn-TeSsOu
07-19-2005, 12:17 PM
Lou Panella is more fun to watch than the Devil Rays...
Gene Starwind
07-19-2005, 12:29 PM
The Devil Rays have the worst fielding percentage and second most errors in the majors. Mostly because they can't find anyone worth a crap to replace Rocco Baldelli in center field and have been doing the same juggling act in the infield. This isn't the same team as last year by a long stretch.
I didn't know Rocco was injured, he'll be a lock for a gold glove pretty much every season in the future. As for the infield... they'd be doing better if they would call up Upton.
All-Night John
07-19-2005, 12:54 PM
Even if Curt's foot touched the bag it would have been a tie.
Didn't look that way to me. He was definitely there first. I wouldn't have been that mad if they kept the safe call. It was an extremely close play, but I think they got it right. Certainly nothing as egregious as the night before when Cora was safe at first by a foot. Even the ESPNews announcers were laughing at how awful a call it was.
BTW how about Baez for Ramirez?
Hanley Ramirez that is..
Not a chance.
I didn't know Rocco was injured, he'll be a lock for a gold glove pretty much every season in the future. As for the infield... they'd be doing better if they would call up Upton.
Upton commits more errors than anyone we have in there now, and in the minors at that. Still needs to work on his defense.
How about if we throw in Lugo? Heh..
Digital*Firefly
07-19-2005, 03:48 PM
No.
Tie ALWAYS goes to the runner.
correct
GBPackersfan
07-19-2005, 03:58 PM
Actually, there's no rule that states that the tie goes to the runner.
All-Night John
07-19-2005, 04:52 PM
Actually, there's no rule that states that the tie goes to the runner.
Yeah, that's just a perpetuated myth.
And the Sox will not trade one of their best prospects except for a top flight pither.
GBPackersfan
07-19-2005, 05:37 PM
I keep hearing about a trade rumor that involved Thome, Wagner, and some one else (David Bell?) going to Boston in exchange for Hanley Ramirez, Youk, and a young catcher (Schoppach, or something like that).
Worst trade rumor ever.
All-Night John
07-19-2005, 06:06 PM
There's lots of rumors about Wagner. I don't know why. It's not like Philly's out of contention. I don't buy that one for a second, though. Thome's been awful this year, with a huge contract, Bell's not good, and the Sox already acquired a mediocre 3B today (Graffanino). That's a lot of cash and dead weight for the Sox to take on, while giving up 2 top-tier prospects, and a 3rd high prospect. Not gonna happen.
The catcher would be Shoppach. The Sox have no use for him w/Tek signed long term. They called him up for a week or so earlier in the year, and he couldn't hit for shit. I thought for sure he killed his trade value. But he went back to the minors and has gone back to doing well. He's still considered valuable trade bait.
Switch Thome with Howard, then maybe we'll talk.
Gene Starwind
07-20-2005, 01:02 PM
I don't see how that would be a bad trade for the Sox, if anything it'd be a bad trade for the Phillies because that means they quit the season. The only bad thing in that deal would be Thome's contract that ends way ahead from now, probably after he turns into crap. Hanley Ramirez is great, possibly a future allstar. Youkilis is ok (all he can really do is walk), and I don't know much about Shoppach other than he's a solid catcher.
If you think switching Thome with Howard would seal the deal, you've got to be crazy. There's no way they'll be trading him anytime soon. They've already gotten a lot of offers on him and Ed Wade is asking for an insane amount. I'd be surprised to see him leave anytime soon.
GBPackersfan
07-20-2005, 03:24 PM
The Phils wouldn't be quitting the season. Thome's not playing, we have a decent bullpen (I'd love to see Madson put into the closer's role), and Bell is average at best.
All-Night John
07-22-2005, 04:08 PM
I don't see how that would be a bad trade for the Sox, if anything it'd be a bad trade for the Phillies because that means they quit the season.
The only positive of the deal for the Sox would be getting Wagner. They'd lose 3 of their best prospects, two of which are pencilled in to be starters next year, and take on a ridiculous contract for a shitty player. For Philly, it's lose Wagner, but get 3 good prospects plus get rid of Thome. And Wagner's at the end of his contract. That's an outrageous amount to give up and take on for 3 month rental.
The only bad thing in that deal would be Thome's contract that ends way ahead from now, probably after he turns into crap.
He's already crap.
Hanley Ramirez is great, possibly a future allstar. Youkilis is ok (all he can really do is walk),
And hit.
If you think switching Thome with Howard would seal the deal, you've got to be crazy.
Exactly. Just like you'd be crazy to think the Sox would accept that other deal.
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